Keys to Helping Podcast Clients Look and Sound GREAT!

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So--

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How much is that?

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Um, um, um.

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No.

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Hey there.

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This is the podcast editor's mastermind

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where we talk about the business side of podcasting.

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We're not here to talk about how to edit stuff,

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although that may come up tonight.

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We'll see.

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But this is the show where we talk about the business stuff.

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My name is Bryan Entzminger.

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You can find me at toptieraudio.com.

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And on this side is--

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Jennifer Longworth.

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You can find me at bermanbropodcasting.com.

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Unable to join us tonight, we're Carrie Caulfield.

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You can find here at Carrie.land.

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And Daniel Abendroth, you can find him at rothmedia.audio.

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- So Jennifer, tonight we're talking about

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how to help your hosts sound and look great,

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which we didn't make this because we're using Riverside,

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but that is kind of an interesting tie in

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as I was thinking about this.

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So Jennifer, do you ever have to help your hosts

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or their guests sound great, look great

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when they're recording stuff?

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- I don't do the look great part.

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I have Ethan on my team for that.

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But yes, I do try to help them sound great.

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That's part of my thing that I do as a podcast editor.

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- And that's something that I do as well.

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And I think especially if you're onboarding a new podcaster,

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that's just part of the process,

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how you choose a microphone, all of that stuff.

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And I think we'll kind of get into some of those things

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in case somebody that's watching isn't familiar.

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We recognize that a lot of editors are,

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but not everybody is.

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So we'll talk a little bit about that.

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But what's really kind of the bug in my ear, if you will,

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is what happens if you get a client

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who's an existing podcaster,

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or maybe they change locations or something,

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and all of a sudden, or maybe for the first time ever,

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the recording isn't great,

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and they can't tell that their poop stinks.

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Like, Jennifer, how do you handle that?

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- I ask them what microphone they're using, first of all.

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- Okay.

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- Because if it starts with the word blue,

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it's probably a bad choice.

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But talk them through, you know, what are you doing?

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What did you do differently?

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I have one client right now,

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and her last episode sounded like trash, and she knows it.

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- Okay.

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- So that's good.

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I think she was just using like earbud microphone

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because her regular microphone died.

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And instead of like borrowing one from me or something,

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'cause she's local, or going to the library,

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she just sounded like crap.

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But as my hairdresser once told me when I had a,

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I was blonde for a couple of weeks,

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she said, "I can't fix it, but I can help it."

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That's how I feel about audio sometimes.

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I'm sure you can't relate to that one at all.

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- I can, and actually this is kind of a sore subject for me

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because part of the challenge for me is I pride myself

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in being able to turn something that's not great

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into something that's listenable.

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Now, that doesn't mean I'm trying to get my clients

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to make terrible recordings,

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but sometimes I feel like maybe I'm doing a disservice

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by turning something into an acceptable quality

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where maybe they don't realize what's being left

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on the table because of the recording process,

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the environment, how they allow their guests to connect.

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Guest connections especially is a big one

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because I have one client who's interviewing people

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that are not technologically savvy very often,

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or they are, but in other ways, if that makes sense.

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And so I get a lot of laptop microphones in a small office

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or, and no headphones, 'cause some of them,

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at some point you're just going,

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we've got so many things going against us,

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and if we're starting with a laptop microphone

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in a less than ideal environment,

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it really doesn't matter that much if I suggest Riverside

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or another recording solution,

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because it will just be capturing

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a higher quality recording of bad audio.

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There's that tension because she wants to be accommodating

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to her clients, and I think that's fair.

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I did that when I hosted the Engaging Missions show,

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I was very accommodating to my guests.

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I wanted to intentionally make it as easy as possible.

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I did say, yeah, if you've got a microphone, use it.

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If you're in the States, I'll ship you one.

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I can make that happen, definitely wear headphones,

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but inevitably, you end up in a situation

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where you have somebody who's overseas,

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and the option that they have is sitting in a car

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when it's 105 degrees Fahrenheit

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with the air conditioner off,

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so they can at least get something passable.

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You have to deal with that.

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So I think there's a little bit of both.

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Jennifer, what kind of stuff do you deal with?

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- I don't think I've ever had someone sitting

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in a 105 degree car.

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- Well, I mean, it was Thailand.

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It's not my fault.

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- Okay.

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I was like, I'm not sure where this was,

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but my favorite right now is my show

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that records on Microsoft Teams.

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- Oh, please.

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- Yeah, it records at 16, not 44.1, not 48, 16.

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It's very bad, and it sounds bad,

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and I send it off to one of my sub editors,

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and he's like, "What are they doing?

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This sounds so bad."

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I'm like, "It's Teams," and I've told them,

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"Hey, guys, why don't you get on something like Riverside?"

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(laughs)

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And they still haven't,

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because they use Teams for everything,

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so we're just gonna keep recording our podcast on Teams.

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And then they have guests,

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and then their guest comes on Teams,

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and their guest doesn't,

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like, at least the hosts have Samsung Q2Us or something,

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so they don't sound as bad as they potentially could,

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but then they'll have a guest who doesn't have a mic,

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and that's what I deal with weekly.

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(laughs)

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- I get that, and on the one hand, I'm going,

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"Well, at least they're using Teams,"

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which is going to mangle the audio

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for everybody consistently, right?

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You're not gonna have a host with a local recording

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that sounds like they're in a recording studio,

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followed by a guest and two co-hosts,

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or whatever the number is.

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I have no idea.

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Where it sounds like they're underwater.

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And also, as far as conferencing services go,

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Teams is pretty crap,

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but also it does a pretty good job

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with reverb and noise reduction, that kind of stuff.

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Even the background removal, I mean, there are artifacts.

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You can hear 'em, you can see 'em,

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but it's actually doing a pretty admirable job

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of doing something it wasn't intended to do,

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and I think that's the difference

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between a recording solution that's intended to do this

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and something that's just been hijacked.

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- Is that the right word for it?

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- Maybe, Zoom. (laughs)

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Zoom has definitely been hijacked for podcasting.

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- Yeah, I don't wanna beat that drum too hard.

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We'll probably beat it in a little bit,

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but I also wanna be really clear.

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Again, we're not just doing this

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because we're recording for Riverside

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and they happen to be sponsoring the show.

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We were gonna do this, but it makes it really interesting.

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- Well, your point is also,

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we're gonna get bad audio from time to time.

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So is that okay?

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- For me, if it's the host,

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I might give 'em once or twice, right,

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and just kinda deal with it,

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and if they ask a question, or if I send it back

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and it's obviously not the level that they're accustomed to,

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or maybe when I get it, I might just say,

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"Hey, this doesn't sound the same.

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"Are you sure you want me to do this,

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"or are you sure you wanna publish this?"

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If it goes more than a couple times,

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then we'll have a conversation.

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- Gotcha.

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- I'm like you, I kinda come at it sideways,

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like, "Did you change your microphone?

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"Is something on the computer not right?"

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It can't possibly be because you decided

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to leave it at home and record without it.

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You wouldn't do that, or any of that kinda stuff.

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I try not to be super cheeky about it.

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I try to be understanding and kind,

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because a lot of times, they don't know.

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They don't realize that Zoom changed their input

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until it's too late, and maybe they don't listen back,

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which is something I recommend,

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but I recommend a lot of things.

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- Zoom did that to me once.

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I had no idea.

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- Oh no.

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- I was the guest, though,

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so the host totally should've known.

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- Yeah, and we've had something like that happen

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on a show that I co-host called The Podcast Gauntlet.

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I co-host that with Mike Wilkerson,

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and we've been on a couple of times where he'd be like,

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"Your microphone doesn't sound right.

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"I'm hearing a lot of the fan or something."

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We'll go through, sometimes we'll spend 30 minutes

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troubleshooting before we go,

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"Oops, StreamYard selected the wrong input,"

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or something like that, but it's happened on both sides.

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Like, "Hey, sounds like you've got your,

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"he uses earbuds to listen.

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"Sounds like you've got your earbuds selected."

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And we do that, but with a guest and a host,

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if they're not listening for it, they're not gonna hear it,

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especially if the host is used to recording laptop mics

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or those earbuds that plug in, like that kind of thing,

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and somebody shows up on a professional mic

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with a good setup, they may not recognize

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that it's the wrong microphone

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because they're so used to hearing the other stuff.

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Which leads to the whole,

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I saw that Steve Stewart posted it today,

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the scratch test, if you get on before you do it,

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like, "Can you hear this?

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"Is that the right microphone?"

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Just making sure.

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If we move on, the next piece in my mind,

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like, sounding and looking great,

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I'm gonna go for audio because,

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one, that's my expertise, that's what I'm good at,

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and two, I think audio is way more important.

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I just do.

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But I think, and maybe I'm wrong in this,

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I think that most of the time,

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we get the order of things wrong.

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So if you're coaching somebody how to sound great,

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whether they're setting up a new one

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or you're trying to help them troubleshoot something,

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where do you start with having the discussion about it?

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- When I first get people,

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I get them knowing nothing, usually.

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But I had a consultation call this morning

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and I'm going over the basics

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of starting a podcast with this girl,

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and then it's like, well, microphone.

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She's like, "Oh, I have a Yeti."

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I said, "No."

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- Microphone shaming coming up now.

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- Yes, microphone shaming, for sure.

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I'm like, "It can be a good mic

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if you use it in a well-controlled space

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because it'll pick up everything."

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And she's like, "Yeah, that's not what I have to deal with."

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I'm like, "Okay, well, here, buy this other one,

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look for a dynamic mic."

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And I was having a conversation with someone

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on just Facebook Messenger about it,

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hey, look for a dynamic mic or be prepared to sound treat.

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And one of the things I talk about

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in one of the things your editor wants you to know,

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I think it's the talk I give,

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I have like five podcast talks I do,

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but one of them, I talk about how people will spend $400

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on the fancy Shure mic or lots of dollars

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on the RODECaster Pro, but they won't treat their space.

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- Right.

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- And then it's like, well,

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why don't you invest some of that money in treatments?

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Like this pretty thing behind me, it looks like a painting.

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No, it's actually acoustic treatment from Amazon.

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So it's not the best, but it's better than nothing.

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- Yeah, totally.

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That's the same kind of conversation I have, right?

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Before I recommend gear or anything like that,

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the first question is,

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tell me about where you're gonna record.

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- Yeah.

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- Is it gonna be the same place every time?

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Are you gonna have more than one person there?

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Tell me about the room.

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How quiet is it?

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If it turns out to be a dining room table

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in a tiled kitchen, the next question for me might be,

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is there another option?

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- Yeah.

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- We can work with this, maybe,

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but it may be harder and more expensive

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than if there's another option.

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And occasionally, depending on who I'm working with,

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I may send them throughout the house and go,

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hey, go to each room and listen.

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What do you hear?

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Do you hear road noise?

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Do you hear the air conditioner?

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Do you hear the dogs?

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Like which room from an ambient noise standpoint

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is the quietest?

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That's probably going to be

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the best recording space for you.

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Maybe a compromise, it may end up not being an option,

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but at least you start hearing that stuff as a host.

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You start stepping toward that audio expert piece.

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And then when we found the best place,

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then we start talking about how do we treat it.

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Now, a lot of my clients,

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most if not all of my clients,

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have been either unable or unwilling

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to do a sufficient amount of acoustic treatment

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in their space.

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So in my studio, or slash office,

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slash used to be the spare bedroom,

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I have some auto mute sheets on the side walls.

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They're mostly out of frame,

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especially when it's zoomed in like this.

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So you can't really see them.

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But I have four of those huge sheets throughout my office.

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Have a little bit of rug on the floor.

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It's wood, so I needed a rug.

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I don't have anything on the ceiling,

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but I'm very much considering it

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because I'm either getting some slap back

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from the floor to the ceiling,

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or I'm getting something side to side

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and it's starting to annoy me.

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And then also those beautiful little pictures

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on the back wall,

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that's actually acoustic ceiling tile

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covered in old t-shirts.

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- I love that.

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- Not the best, but it's something.

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And my suggestion to them would always be,

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okay, can we treat the space?

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And if not, then we start looking,

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well, what's the best microphone

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or the best microphone type for you?

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And in most cases,

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it's gonna be just what Jennifer talked about, right?

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The Samson Q2U, the ATR2100.

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Those are both in sort of that 50 to $100-ish range.

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If they've got a little bit more money,

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I might recommend something like the Rode PodMic USB,

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or the Samson Q9U, or the Shure MV7.

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And Jennifer's got one.

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I used to have one of those.

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I have a Q9U.

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I wanna get a PodMic just to try it out,

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but I don't need to spend money on stuff I don't need, so.

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- You used to be a microphone collector, though.

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- I did, and I've still got a few.

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And those are all USB mics,

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and I'm choosing those on purpose, right?

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One is because they're all expandable USB mics.

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You can convert them to XLR if you need to.

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And the other is because for most new podcasters,

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I'm thinking what's the easiest thing to work with?

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Plug it in, set it up, go.

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- Right.

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- Might need to look into a shock mount or some other stuff.

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If they're having more than one person in the same space,

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I'm probably gonna recommend a RodeCaster or a PodTrak P4.

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They both capture good recordings.

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They both capture isolated channels per person,

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so none of this, it's all blended together garbage.

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And then I'm probably gonna recommend something

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like the Sennheiser E835 or the SEV7,

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which are both dynamic handheld microphones.

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They're stage microphones.

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They do a good job of rejecting other voices, if you will.

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And so those are the kinds of things I'm looking for, right?

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How can we control reverb and echo in the room,

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ambient noise, other people talking?

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And then we might have to have a conversation

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about how are you sitting?

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Are you both facing each other?

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Are you both looking at an angle,

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and one of you is sort of behind

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the other person's microphone, too?

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- And I'm a huge proponent of one mic per person.

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I recognize there are rare situations

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where you might need to mic everybody together,

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but that should never be the goal.

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The goal should always be, in my mind,

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one mic per person and headphones

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if there's any kind of playback going on.

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In fact, I prefer headphones just because,

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at least for me, it keeps me on the microphone.

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Otherwise, I have a tendency to wander all over the place.

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If I start moving and I hear it in my headphones,

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I've trained myself to get back on the microphone,

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and that's something that I've seen some clients do as well.

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What about you, Jennifer?

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- Yes, sounds good.

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But with my Mary Queen Stories podcast,

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we used the PodTrak P4 with four Samsung Q2U mics,

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depending on how many people.

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Usually it's just two of us,

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but I've had up to four people on the show with me.

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And we record in the worst room,

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but it's the only room available in the church

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for us to record.

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So that's where we record.

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It is carpeted, but it's big and echoey,

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and that's where post-production comes in.

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So using good mic technique,

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and I tell them all, don't bang on the table,

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keep your hands to yourself, put your keys away,

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put your phone on the floor, all those good things.

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But I know what to do in the background.

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So a casual podcaster who's editing their own

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might not know what to do in post-production

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and would sound terrible if they recorded like I do.

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I wish I had a better place, but I don't.

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- And sometimes that's a challenge.

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And of course, my question to you,

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if you were the client is, is there another place?

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Does it have to be at the church?

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Could it be recorded somewhere else?

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- It's a church podcast.

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I don't want people to come to my house.

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- I'm not saying it has to be your studio,

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but is there another place?

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And that's a question for you, right?

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You're the one doing the post, you're the one hosting,

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you're the one producing, it's all your problem.

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- I am doing everything on this show,

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except guesting, which I haven't done a solo one yet,

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but I might get stuck doing that at some point.

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- Yeah, so the area that I've now started dabbling in

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a little bit, and I'm far from an expert,

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but I'm trying to get better is absolutely in the area

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of helping clients with video, starting first on myself.

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So we got here over the course of the last decade,

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and now I'm trying to take what little bit I've learned

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in 10 years and make it available for clients.

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Currently, I don't have any clients

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that are doing video shows.

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I have some in the past that have captured video,

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but it's never been, well actually I have one now

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that still captures the video, she just doesn't publish it,

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which of course is her call.

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The thing for me that was a really big learning

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was taking a step back and going,

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actually, before we start talking about cameras

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and all of the gadgets, I think it starts just like,

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just like with audio, choosing the space

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and treating the space.

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So for me, it's all about, you know,

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did you find a quiet place, did you find a place

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where you can, not that's well lit,

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that you can control the lighting?

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- Ooh, yeah, that's good.

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- That's a really big one.

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In fact, this room is good at night.

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It's not quite as good during the day

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because there's a portion of the window

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that's still not covered, and so I lose the ability

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to control the level of ambient light in the room.

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I still have my, I have a three-ish point light set up here,

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and I still have control of that,

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but what I don't have control of is how much light

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hits the back wall, or if a cloud comes in,

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I don't have control over that, so that's a big thing.

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But you sort of have to think, how am I gonna set this up,

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and what's important to me?

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So in some cases, having control over your background

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may not be a big deal for a client.

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However, my opinion is if they're going to pay somebody

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to do post on their video, they probably want it

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to look good, and so that's the conversation

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I'm getting ready to start having first.

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If they wanna do videos, okay, let's talk about the space.

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How are you gonna set it up so that it communicates

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consistently with your brand?

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I don't know, with the persona that you

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or your company have, I'm not saying we have to have

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a bunch of your logo on the back, or it has to be

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one of those ESPN stop and snap things

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that just plastered all over the place,

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but does it communicate something that says,

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I thought about this, and the pieces that are here

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are either in use or they matter, and I've arranged them

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in such a way that it's not distracting?

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Hopefully, as I look at mine, I hope mine isn't distracting,

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but that's where I start.

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What about you, Jennifer?

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So I do have one active video client right now.

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I have one audio person about to go to video.

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With the active video client, they'd already

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recorded the videos before they got to me.

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So there was no pre-chat.

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I mean, they just, I haven't had that conversation,

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because they've already, and the other guy,

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he's like, nope, this is how I do it.

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I just need you to do this and this and this,

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and I'm like, okay, yes sir,

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and so I haven't ever had anyone,

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because previously people would come to me and say,

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I wanna start a video podcast, and I'd just tell them no.

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So I've grown in that area.

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I don't say no anymore, but also,

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I'm still an audio first person,

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and like you said earlier, audio's still more important

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than the video aspect of it in our audio editing opinions.

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Yeah, I mean, skin in the game, but also,

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wasn't it James Cameron that said that half

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of the movie is the audio?

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Yeah, and his movie should take away the audio.

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Yeah, can't lose or something.

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Wasn't trying to throw him under the bus.

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No, but still, got some powerful moments thanks to music.

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Where do you go after you talk about that?

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For me, it's lights.

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That's always been my opinion,

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and I think it holds consistent with what we would expect

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out of audio, right?

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So there's that whole signal to noise ratio.

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You wanna be close to the mic, that kind of stuff.

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I think for me, having the subject illuminated well

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is probably more important than having a high quality camera.

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I think you can capture a good video

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with good lighting and an okay camera,

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but I think with bad lighting,

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even a good camera might struggle.

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Now, I'm not talking about a $10,000 cinema camera.

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That can probably pull a rabbit out of the hat.

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That's what they're there for,

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but sort of that consumer prosumer area,

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I think that lighting is way more important.

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For me, I've just got a pair of off-brand GVM panel lights,

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so little circle panels on a stick

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that you can stick on your desk, 'cause they were on sale.

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And I had a couple of other lights

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that were much more directional.

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I didn't get a good wash out of those.

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You see how my shadow's kind of fuzzy?

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That's on purpose. (laughs)

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Because I don't wanna have a super bright light

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on myself as a subject.

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Now, if I actually knew what I was doing with video,

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I might have a better explanation,

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but that's kind of the approach that I've taken,

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having learned everything I could on YouTube

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and a couple of webinars or something.

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And then after that, for me, it's the camera.

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And I'm kind of conflicted on this,

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because on a personal level, I've tried a few webcams,

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including a 4K webcam, and I never felt

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like they got me a really good picture.

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I really like to play in sort of that $100 to $200 range

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for a camera. - Yeah, yeah.

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- Right now, I'm actually using my iPhone,

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just plugged into the computer,

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and I feel like I get a pretty good picture out of that.

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But I'll also happily share that I currently have

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a Sony ZV-E10 in my shopping cart at Amazon,

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and I'm trying to talk myself off the ledge,

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going, "You don't really need it.

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"The iPhone is probably doing you okay,

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"but there's a part of me that just keeps going."

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But then how will you tell a client what to do, Bryan,

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if you don't buy this for yourself?

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So I'm still arguing with myself a little bit,

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because to be completely honest,

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I couldn't help a client troubleshoot an SLR

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or a DSLR right now, or even something like that,

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ZV-E10 from Sony.

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And also, I wanna see for myself,

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what's the difference between the USB connection

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that's not sending it 4K versus the HDMI out

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going into a Cam Link or something like the Rode Streamer X

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or something, where you're capturing all of that 4K

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in all of its glory, which then we stream to the internet

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and let people listen to on earbuds.

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But yeah, welcome into my brain.

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And this is always the challenge for me,

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because part of me wants to do that,

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sort of the research and development thing,

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but also I have to stay profitable.

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That's kind of an important thing.

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Otherwise, eventually the IRS reclassifies you as a hobby

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and you don't get to write stuff off anymore.

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So it's important to be a business, not financial advice,

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said the guy who just said that.

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- If you're just in a video podcast, your phone is fine.

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And one of the things that I heard come out

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of podcast movement, I wasn't actually there for the talk

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and I don't remember who said it,

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is that podcasters need to be on YouTube,

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but not necessarily podcasts on YouTube.

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- Yeah, that's something I've been thinking about.

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And I think it's something that came up

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in one of our private calls as well.

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Because we currently, at least in theory,

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stream this live to YouTube and Facebook.

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Occasionally it doesn't stream properly.

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And so we ended up with a slightly edited version of this

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going up to YouTube, but it's still the whole thing.

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And part of me is going, should it be the whole thing

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or should we just be pulling a section?

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And I'm really kind of struggling with that

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because I don't know that our show does a great job

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of introducing and working through a section

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from start to finish.

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I think that we do a good job

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of having a wonderful conversation around a topic,

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but maybe not staying on the topic as we just demonstrated.

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- So I guess the request from me to you, dear listener,

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dear viewer, would be, if you were to see a short segment

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of this show, what stood out to you?

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What would you be interested in seeing

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as a standalone video?

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Is there anything or do you just wish we would shut up

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and go away?

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- The theory is that people would discover you on YouTube

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with your short or your shorter,

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and then they'd be like, wow, this is fascinating,

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and follow you over to your content.

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- And I hope that's right.

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'Cause I think the last couple of times

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I've pulled a few shorts out of the Riverside recording.

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Riverside doesn't have an AI tool

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that helps you identify those things.

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Since it's not a client show, I take what it gives me

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and I put those out there.

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If it was a client show, I'd go find those sections

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and create the videos myself,

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partially because I feel like a jerk

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if I'm charging them and not really doing anything,

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but also partially because I think I do it better.

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I'm not a great video editor,

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but I would do some things different

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than just the straight thing that Riverside or StreamYard

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or any other tool pulled out,

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because you can do some creative stuff with layouts

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and the templates that you use for your fonts

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and that kind of stuff where some of these tools,

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even like CapCut, you just kind of end up

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with what you end up with.

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And I like to be a little bit more hands-on

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and creative with that.

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Do you do any of that kind of stuff?

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- Yeah, I use Opus Clips.

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- Okay, do your clients look great in Opus Clips?

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Maybe I'm wrong.

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- The last guy had a terrible camera angle.

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Nothing was gonna help him look great.

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So I was kind of thankful for the big old captions

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going across the screen,

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because he not know he was on video.

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That's what I wanted to ask.

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I'm like, do you not know that this was a video podcast?

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But in Opus Clips, you can do different layout,

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I mean, as far as orientation goes,

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and you can change the color and change a little bit.

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But I also played with the Underlord in the script.

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They call it Underlord now, their AI tool.

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And I got a nice, I thought it looked nice,

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what it did for me,

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'cause it found me something that Opus Clip didn't find,

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and I had to go digging.

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So that's what I used.

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And I liked the look of it.

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- Cool.

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- So I don't remember which login I used to access that.

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So the script is like, we don't find your project anymore.

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I'm like, oh, I have three emails I've used.

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I don't know which one it was.

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- This person that you're talking about,

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was that a client or was that a guest on the show?

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- That was the guest.

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- So you're probably not gonna have the conversation

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with them about the next time they're on the show.

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- No, and this is one of those,

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they recorded before they hired me things.

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So I couldn't have said, the host is fine.

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She's sitting at a desk or talking to her computer

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and sitting still.

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And this guy was like, hey.

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- So she was the opposite of me.

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And I'm just the guy that's all over the place.

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And I know I'm on camera, so this is the worst.

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The other thing that I've been thinking about,

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'cause we've been talking about troubleshooting

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and helping clients set themselves up.

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But there's another way that we could potentially help them.

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And that's by being there to engineer their shows.

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- Yeah.

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- It's not something that I currently do.

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It's something I could do.

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But for me, scheduling has been a challenge

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because I have a day job.

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And my clients like to sleep at night

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'cause that's when I work, I guess.

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(laughs)

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I don't know.

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- And I've talked to, it seems like more people lately

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and I'm just finding them who do this.

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I met a guy at Podcast Movement, John, shout out to John.

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Don't remember his last name right now, it's served with an S.

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But thanks for coming to our meetup, John.

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And he was like, well, yeah,

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I totally do this with all my clients.

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And Chris Kern, Podcast Engineering School,

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he does that with everyone.

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And I think, well, Jesse does that.

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- Jesse does.

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And I think John Gay did some as well,

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but I think he did it in person, not remote.

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- Okay.

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It just seems like, I don't know if they're just,

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if it's one of those, I've been thinking about it more.

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So I'm seeing all these people things.

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- Yeah, could be.

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- John and I had a one-to-one after Podcast Movement.

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And I'm like, I don't know if I wanna do that.

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And he said, actually it makes post-production a lot easier

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because if you're there with them,

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then you can take notes and do markers as you go

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and fix it in pre instead of fixing in a post.

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And this and that.

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I'm like, okay, but I still don't really know

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if I wanna sit there for an hour

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with someone while they record.

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- Yeah, and having not done it, I can't say for sure.

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But I mean, I've certainly been on some shows

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where I didn't talk a lot.

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So it's kinda felt like that sometimes, right?

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- Yeah.

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- And I think it goes back to that whole

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capturing a great recording

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and also giving the host somebody else to lean on

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so that they don't have to be the heavy

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when it comes to you didn't show up with headphones

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and you're using your laptop microphone.

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So depending on the host's desire, we either cannot proceed,

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we have to reschedule,

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'cause this is not what our audience expects

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and we're not going to present you to our audience

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in a way that doesn't flatter you.

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Or we can do this, you're not gonna sound great.

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Are you sure that you can't take two minutes

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to find those earbuds and plug them in?

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They can relax, right, in more ways than one.

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One is when you show up with your editor,

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audio, possibly video person hat on,

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you can very quickly help them go,

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okay, we can make the best of this right now.

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We're not gonna build your set,

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but can you turn your camera?

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Can we do something with that background?

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Can you slide up a little bit so we can see your face?

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Like that kind of stuff?

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- Yeah.

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- It doesn't fix everything.

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And then it also gives you the opportunity, potentially,

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to know that they're gonna use good recording software,

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like a good recording solution,

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something like we're doing today with Riverside.

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I also like Boomcaster.

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I've seen reasonably good results come out of StreamYard,

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Squadcast, don't recommend Zoom on a personal level.

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But if you're there, you can help them make the most of it.

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You can be the one that sets it up.

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Most of these have the ability in some fashion

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for you to create a link and be there

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to host the thing for them,

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even if you're not on screen getting recorded,

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which is why I like Riverside's producer mode so much.

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You get it all set up.

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You don't have to worry about

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accidentally appearing on screen,

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which could be embarrassing, right?

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And then you're just there to help them, right?

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You get everything set up, you make sure it sounds good.

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And then you're there making markers,

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interrupting if necessary, and saying,

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"Hey, you're off the microphone.

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"We couldn't hear a word that you said.

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"Can you try that?"

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Like, or whatever, right?

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So you're starting to step somewhat

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between that audio/video engineer into

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maybe a producer type role.

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Hopefully you're getting paid for it,

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or it wouldn't be worth doing.

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But then, to this guy's point,

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you know, the stuff that I've been on, right,

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when we record this show, for me,

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post-production's pretty much a breeze,

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unless we're all over the place,

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because we capture a good recording,

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we all have reasonably good mic technique,

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and so it's really just a matter of balancing and editing.

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And we've gotten better about the um, so that's easier.

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We'd have to ask Alejandra how bad it really is,

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'cause I only edited a couple episodes this year,

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but it was pretty easy for me, so I was happy with it.

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- It was a lot better than the first ones four years ago.

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- Which one?

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- The one in the hallway at Podfest, did you do that one?

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- Yeah, I did.

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Actually, that one turned out pretty good.

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- Oh, okay.

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- If you're not familiar, episode one of this show,

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we all recorded using handheld microphones,

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sitting in a hallway at Podfest, and did it in person.

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First episode, you can go back and check it out,

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and see if we've grown at all, and hopefully we have.

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- Hopefully we have.

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- And then, I think the other thing,

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and I don't remember who said that they do this,

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we had somebody on, Marcus DePaula, used to send,

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probably still does send a microphone to guests,

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if they don't have one, and that's another option.

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- I've heard of people doing that.

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- In his case, I think it was a Samsung Q2U,

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or an ATR2100, something like that.

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Basically, you're just looking for a mic

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that can be plugged in easily,

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just USB with a headphone jack in it,

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so it's really easy to set up.

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The several companies have a small condenser microphone

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that you could potentially put on the desk,

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plug their headphones into,

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that way you don't have to worry about them

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getting it as close to them.

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The trade-off, of course, is you're dealing with room tone.

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And truthfully, when I had guests on my show,

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and I sent them a microphone,

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I sent them a $15 microphone from Amazon.

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It was, wasn't a Samsung, it was a CAD.

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- Oh, yeah.

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- It was just a $15 microphone with a USB port,

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no headphone port, muddy as all get out, right?

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Super heavy in the mids and the low mids, like super muddy.

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But you get 'em on it,

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you capture a reasonably good recording,

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and then you just EQ it until it sounds right.

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I know it sounds dumb,

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and that's not how you would do it

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in a professional recording studio,

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but the reality is,

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this was still better than their laptop mic.

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I promise you, it was better than their laptop mic.

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One thing we didn't talk about is,

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if they don't want headphones like this on camera.

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So you and I are both wearing over the ear cans, right?

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We're good with that.

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- Like the same ones.

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- They work for their purpose,

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and they're pretty good at noise isolation

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so that I'm not getting Jennifer into my microphone

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and back and forth.

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Some people don't like having these on,

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even though this is apparently the identifier of a podcast.

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You have over the ear headphones on now.

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It doesn't matter if it's a podcast.

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- Part of my logo.

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- Or any of that stuff.

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It's just the headphones and a microphone, of course.

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But that notwithstanding, if they don't wanna do that,

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I would just recommend having them check into

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an inexpensive pair of in-ear monitors.

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I'm not talking about like earbuds

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where they hang down the in-ear monitors

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that are supposed to go over your ear

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and then down your back like you would wear on stage

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if you're playing guitar or singing or something like that.

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They don't have to be high quality, right?

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'Cause they're not editing.

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They're not trying to get the EQ right.

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They need to hear the guest.

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And I've seen a couple pair, I don't remember the brand,

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I think Sure has one and some others,

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that's essentially clear.

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So you might get a little bit of glint off of the sides

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if you turn your head and there's a light that hits it.

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Cord goes down the back, you plug it in.

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It's basically off camera.

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You almost look like you're on TV at that point

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other than that you've got a microphone in frame

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'cause I don't think any of us are ready

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to try and help our client set up

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an over the head boom mic.

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- Right.

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- That's just a disaster waiting to happen.

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I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but that's my take on it.

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So I think if they wanna do that 40, 50 bucks,

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which is less than these,

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you can get an okay pair of over the ear, in ear monitors

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and it can be basically invisible.

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And then they don't have to worry about having cameras

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like headphones on camera.

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- Good tip.

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Thank you, Bryan.

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- You're welcome.

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That was free.

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And now I'm not sure where we should go next.

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So this is the part where we stare at each other awkwardly

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until one of us says, "What's the question of the day?"

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- What's your go-to snack or drink during long

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editing sessions?

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- Mine is water.

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I generally keep a water bottle.

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If it's in the morning, I may have a coffee,

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but I haven't been editing in the mornings recently.

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I've been sleeping instead because that makes me feel good

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and not capable.

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So I've been doing that instead.

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- Yeah, good plan.

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- At nights when I'm editing,

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I'm not gonna have coffee or caffeine.

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So it's usually water, maybe a Dr. Pepper

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if it's a Saturday or something.

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As far as snacks, I don't snack a lot while I'm editing,

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mostly because I've found that people only say,

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"Um," when I go to take a bite so that I have to stop

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and go back a minute and find the spot.

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I don't know, Jennifer?

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- Usually I'm just water,

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which makes me have to get up a lot of times,

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but I have my bourbon barrel water cup

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and keep that filled up with water.

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But yesterday and then today,

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I know I'm gonna have later nights.

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So I've got my Coke Zero or Diet Coke,

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and then my trash can has an M&M wrapper in it,

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'cause that's what I was doing yesterday

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during my long editing session,

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but I don't usually have M&Ms around.

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But it's more like just drinking something

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keeps me from eating.

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So I don't frequently snack while I'm editing,

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but usually water.

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Now there's a girl, 'cause I work at the church too,

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and my coworker, she's like, "You have a coffee addiction."

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I'm like, "I have four cups a day.

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I don't drink any after I go home."

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But if I were sitting here on a weekend working,

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probably be some coffee.

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- Nice.

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If you're watching or listening later,

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we would love to know what your snack or drink of choice is

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while you're editing.

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You can either drop it in the chat while you're listening

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or send it to info@podcasteditorsmastermind.com,

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because we would love to hear from you.

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Just in general, we'd love to hear from you.

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We do this show because we wanna connect with you

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and we hope that it's valuable for you.

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And also a laugh every now and then is good for us.

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Helps us keep going.

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Jennifer, if somebody wants to be a guest on the show

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or recommend a new topic for us to consider,

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what would they do?

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- Well, they could reach out to us directly

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if you're friends with us on Facebook

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or drop it in the Facebook group,

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the Podcast Editor Mastermind on Facebook,

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or go to podcasteditorsmastermind.com/beaguest.

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- Hopefully easy enough.

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As a reminder, all the links that we talked about

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to the best of our ability will be in the show notes.

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So either come back and listen later

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so you can click through and find all of that stuff.

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Or if you're listening on your podcast app,

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just tap, swipe, however you get there.

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Make those links happen because we want you

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to have the tools to do your job.

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As a note, if you use Riverside,

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that link is an affiliate link.

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So if you use that, we get a little bit of compensation.

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We are very happy that Riverside has been sponsoring this.

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Make sure you use that code, Yetis, Y-E-T-I-S,

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at checkout to save that 15% off of your order.

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And we would be very happy if you did that.

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That would make us feel good and we would appreciate it.

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And so would they, and hopefully your clients will too

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when they realize how good a recording they can have.

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With that, I'm gonna stop blathering

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and we're gonna call my name Bryan Entzminger.

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You can find me at toptieraudio.com.

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And on this side is--

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- Hey-o, I'm Jennifer Longworth,

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bourbonbarrelpodcasting.com or anywhere bourbon is found.

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Just kidding. (laughs)

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- Almost anywhere.

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- And unable to join us tonight, we're Daniel Abendroth.

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You can find him at rothmedia.audio.

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And Carrie Caulfield, you can find her at Carrie.land.

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Show notes and everything at our podcast

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editorsmastermind.com.

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That's also the place to go to subscribe,

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to send us flowers.

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Just kidding, we don't take flowers.

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That's the place to go. - I would.

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- Thanks everybody, we appreciate you being here.

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- So-- - How much is that?

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(man grunts)

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(man grunts)

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