How to Balance Your Podcast Production Business with Life – PEM0031

Daniel Abendroth: 00:00:05

So how much is that

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welcome to the podcast?

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Editors mastermind the podcast for podcast editors and professional

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podcast service providers that want to focus on the business side

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of podcast editing and providing that service to your clients today.

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We've got a topic that we think is going to be really valuable

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because it's something that we've struggled with from time to time.

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And it's all about making sure that.

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As you're editing, you don't allow the editing to take over your life

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that you have a business and a life and a family, and you don't look back

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20 years from now and have your kids or your cats hate you forever because

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you didn't spend any time with them.

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Before we get to that, though, we are going to take just a

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second and introduce ourselves.

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I'm Brian at Springer, you can find me@toptieraudio.com and to my side is.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

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I'm Carrie Caulfield.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

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Eric, you can find

Daniel Abendroth:

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me@yayapodcastingdotcomoroninstagramatcarrieericandiamdanielabendrothandyoucanfindmeatroughmedia.audio.

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Yeah.

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And like the thing says, uh, on the screen, we are talking

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about time management tonight.

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I would like to mention that there are only three of us tonight, as we

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shared on the last episode, Jennifer's had to take a step back right now.

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And so.

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Interested in being a guest co-host for this show, we would love to

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talk to you about that opportunity.

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You can go to podcast editors, mastermind.com/be a guest,

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fill out that magical form.

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And assuming that the thing doesn't go to Daniel's spam email, then

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we'll get back to you and see if we can get you on the show.

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So this week's topic is one that actually came up as we were talking on the last

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episode, as we were recording, we were talking about some of the challenges

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and one of the things was around imposter syndrome and feeling like.

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Always have to be working so that you can in quotes, kind of crush it,

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but then not having a healthy life.

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And so we had a little bit of an interesting discussion.

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We think this is something that a lot of people struggle with.

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We're wondering maybe if this will be valuable to you as well.

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So I think as we kick this off, I think Daniel, you were the one that shared

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in the last episode first about like how imposter syndrome has you kind of

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wondering about this and, um, like some of the struggles that you have, do you

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mind taking just a minute to kind of talk about what you I shared before?

Daniel Abendroth: 00:02:33

I don't even remember what I shared before.

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Uh, perfect.

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Yeah.

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So, um, A lot of the time, like you see other people like doing things

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like they're releasing courses or you see them active on social media.

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And then it's like, I look back and it's like, I'm not doing anything.

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Or it feels that way.

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At least I'm like, I'm just so focused on like doing the business,

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but then I'm not doing things.

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So one of my goals is to like build the business, but also build my brand.

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So I'm seen as like an authority in the podcasting space, as well as the authority

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on using Reaper for podcasts editing.

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But a part of that is like being active on social media and I'm just not doing that.

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And so it just feels like I'm missing out as I watch other people

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like completely kill it, at least on the outside, on social media.

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Whereas like I'm over here just like looking at my Instagram that

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I haven't posted in like two years and just feeling guilty about that.

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So that's why, that's why I don't share my Instagram handle because there's nothing.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:03:39

Well, so to me, what it sounds like you're saying is

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that aside from all the client work, there are all these other like marketing

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tasks that you feel like you need to be doing to build your reputation, build

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your sanding, and then these kinds of, um, networking things and, you know,

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uh, parallel products that you yeah.

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Or like I'll be

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scrolling through Facebook and I'll see an ad of

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somebody that's promoting, like their podcast editing service or whatever.

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It's like, oh, why am I not doing it?

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Oh

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:04:11

yeah.

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I know exactly.

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That feeling gets me all the time.

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And I have to, it's really hard because I have to take a step

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back and be like, it's okay.

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But I also want to just hide when I'm like, I'm not kidding.

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Like, it makes me want to go.

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Away and hide and not look at anything and not interact with anybody because

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really you see, I see people doing all this cool stuff all the time and

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I'm like, why am I not doing that?

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And I, you know, so I can totally relate to that.

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And it's, it's a challenge.

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And like what I, one thing I've done, I kind of deal with it.

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Like one, like I don't need to compete with them because like, my business is

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doing well, just doing what I'm doing.

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So like, I don't need to be active on social media to find clients, like,

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I don't need to do these other things because like, I'm doing fine without them.

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And if like, I don't get joy out of it.

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And it's a struggle then, like, is it really serving me?

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Like, I don't like posting on Instagram because like, it's

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not really my strong suit.

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So like I could force myself to do it, but then it's just like a chore.

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And now, like I'm very resistant to.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:05:22

Everything.

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And I think part of this maybe goes back to the thing that a lot of people

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don't talk about, the difference between being an employee or working for

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someone versus having your own business.

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Because if you work for someone, there's sort of an understanding

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that there's a certain amount of work for a certain amount of pay.

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And of course your job is to get the job done with the resources that you have.

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But at the end of the day, if you know, you have to decide along with the

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person that you work for, you report to, Hey, this is what I can get done.

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And so these are the expectations to be met.

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So for example, for my day job, I have a certain amount of work

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that I'm expected to accomplish.

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And we stay in con in conversation about how I'm progressing against that.

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But there's, there's no guard rails as an entrepreneur.

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You know, 40 hours or 50 hours or 60 hours and you're done.

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And on the one hand, that's sort of true in the sense that you'll probably always

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be thinking about and working on your business in your head, even if you're not

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like sitting at a computer doing stuff, but if you'll let it, it will take over

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your life and it'll be, instead of having a business, the business will have you.

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And I think that's something that I've, I've noticed.

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And I try to be careful about as I'm balancing work and family,

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and also owning a business.

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And for me, it's, it's a real challenge.

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I know that I've for some time, for some times I've occasionally

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maybe often gotten it wrong.

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And so like early on a Saturday morning, the kids are up and.

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A deadline that I want to get done and I'll have, you know, one of the kids

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will come in and want to talk to me and I'll be like, okay, we can talk for a

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minute, but I need to get this done.

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And like, why dad?

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Why are you always working?

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And I don't want to model an unhealthy lifestyle for my kids, but at the

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same time, there is a reality.

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There's an, there's an amount of work that needs to be done with what I'm doing.

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And I've, I've got some strategies that I apply.

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And we'll probably talk about those later, but I'm wondering, like, do you

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guys have similar experiences as well?

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Like w how, what does it look like?

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

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Uh, oh, absolutely.

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Um, that's one of the, my son's big complaints and he said that tonight to

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me, like you're always working and I really do try to like, keep that balance.

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Part of it is I really enjoy what I do.

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So like a lot of times I'm doing things and it doesn't feel like work.

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And that may be part of what you're saying.

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Like, does the business have you, or do you have the business, but also.

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I have to stop and remember to spend time with my family make and not

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just any time, but like quality time.

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So I've really been trying to put on those guard rails and it's

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been a challenge, but like my, my husband even has said it to me.

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I mean, we had a whole thing.

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Um, the other moms, you know, full disclosure about how I was always working.

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And sometimes it's hard because.

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What are you going to do?

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I mean, ultimately the job you're the boss, right.

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And stuff needs to get done.

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And if, and, you know, even if you have a team or whatever, just

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things have to get done and they have to get done in a timely manner.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

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So sometimes you do need to work like a 16 hour day and you can't help it.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

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Um, sometimes that kind of dog piles on each other, you know, and

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

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I have been finding this a challenge and I kind of like had this dream

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of not being an entrepreneur.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

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Um, but I think that's because I go, when I go through these periods, it's

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where I'm at, I'm working long hours.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

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It's it's like, wouldn't it be nice to not have all the responsibility.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

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Right.

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Wouldn't it be nice to be able to like leave work at work?

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

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So, you know, that is something that I've kind of.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

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I don't know if it's strugglings is the right word, but I feel like that's kind

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of where I am in my business right now.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

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Like I'm trying to put all these things in place, so we don't have to work as

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much, but that's also time consuming.

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So it's, it is, it's a juggling act act.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

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And I wouldn't say work life balance.

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I would just say constant, Brittany, Felix introduced me to this

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like constant course correction.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

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It is.

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Have you ever found yourself in a position where you had what

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looked like a great opportunity, but you just didn't have the time resources to

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pursue it and you had to turn it down.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:09:42

Oh, all the time.

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Like, I mean, what am I always say?

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I've said for the past, like three years, no new work.

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I don't want any more, any more clients, I wouldn't do any more work.

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And I kind of, you know, had to deal with this.

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Recently.

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I had to ask myself with this new project, like, do I have the bandwidth to do this?

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And I really had to consider it.

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And my, you know, I wanted to do it so much.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:10:10

I was like, well, if, if it becomes a bandwidth issue,

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:10:12

then I will fire somebody.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:10:14

Right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:10:15

I will fire a client to do it because I do want my, my own time

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:10:19

and want to be able to, you know, from my own health and my family.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:10:25

Um,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:10:25

it's tough.

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How about you, Daniel?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:10:27

Have you ever had to turn something down?

Daniel Abendroth: 00:10:30

Um, I don't think I've turned down a concrete, like

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offer or anything, but just more like the idea, like I was wanting to do the

Daniel Abendroth: 00:10:40

Reaper course and that ended up being.

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Like I was getting everything prepared and it's just like the

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idea of recording, like 50 videos.

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Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:10:52

It's just, then you got to edit them too

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:10:56

or pay somebody.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:10:57

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:10:58

And like, come up with a text to go along with it and like the titles.

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And it's just a lot of time there.

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And then, then they're just like the opportunities I think

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I need to do like being active on Instagram and Facebook ads.

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Like other things like that, or like, I really don't need to.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:11:19

The gurus tell you, you do so you feel like you need to, does that make sense?

Daniel Abendroth: 00:11:23

Oh yeah.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:11:24

Especially if they have a course for $27 to get you started on.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:11:28

Exactly.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:11:28

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:11:29

Wait, I'm sorry.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:11:29

47.

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It's 2021.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:11:32

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:11:32

And

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that,

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:11:33

so that's another piece of the pie.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:11:36

I think that we're talking about is because there's like work

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:11:38

life and, you know, family life.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:11:42

And then there's also this kind of like continuing your education life.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:11:47

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:11:47

Because there's always something to learn in what we do.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:11:51

Like we like any entrepreneur, most of us didn't go to business school.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:11:57

Right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:11:58

We're learning this on the fly.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:12:00

And there's a lot of stuff, especially in our work that you can't

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:12:04

necessarily go take a course on.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:12:06

Either.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:12:06

So it's a lot of like, you know, having to research and having to ask

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:12:11

people and figure it out on your own.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:12:13

But like yeah, like that, you know, like, do I need a Facebook ad course?

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:12:17

Right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:12:18

Do I need to take one?

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:12:19

Or, you know, I just invested in, in a year's worth of podcasting and

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:12:23

education really helpful, but it was really, I mean, I, I did turn

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:12:28

down work during that time and I, it was a challenge to get it all done.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:12:33

Yeah, it really was.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:12:34

So do you have like a structure that you look at the say,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:12:37

okay, you know, a certain amount of my time, let's say 10%, I'm making up a

Bryan Entzminger: 00:12:41

number of goes to continuing education and then the rest goes to something else.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:12:45

Like, how do you, no,

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:12:47

that's, I'm not that organized, Brian.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:12:51

Um, either I'm working on it, that's why I'm asking,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:12:54

like, this is, this is as much learning for me as anybody else.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:12:57

You know, something that I, I started therapy

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:13:00

and things, um, to address, like I actually went to see a therapist to

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:13:07

help address what these like, problems that come up in entrepreneurship, like

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:13:11

conflict to create with the family and the, um, work-life balance thing.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:13:15

Cause it is eight.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:13:16

It is that much of a challenge.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:13:18

Right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:13:18

And I don't want it, I'm getting older.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:13:22

So like, my health is very important.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:13:25

One of the things that I realized, and I kind of knew this in the back of

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:13:29

my head is that I just I'm very late.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:13:32

Spur of the moment.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:13:33

I just be like, oh, this is really cool.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:13:35

And here's the opportunity and I'm going to do it right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:13:38

I don't necessarily think it all the way through and how much time it's going to

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:13:43

take and, and what that's gonna look like.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:13:45

And then I always underestimate how, how much time?

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:13:48

I'm not like good at time.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:13:50

Well, I mean, you're the only person that

Bryan Entzminger: 00:13:52

never estimates time, right?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:13:53

Correct.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:13:54

Oh, wait.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:13:54

No, that's me

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:13:55

too.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:13:57

So, um, it is definitely a challenge

Daniel Abendroth: 00:14:03

for me.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:14:04

So like having clear structure has been helpful.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:14:08

I haven't done that per se, but one thing that we've have done is so like Michelle

Daniel Abendroth: 00:14:15

is my wife slash business partner.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:14:17

We run the company.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:14:18

But I'm more involved in the finances of the company and she wants to be

Daniel Abendroth: 00:14:23

more, at least aware of what's going on.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:14:26

She doesn't want to be in the dark.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:14:28

And so we've set aside time every week to have a financial meeting and

Daniel Abendroth: 00:14:33

we're going to be treating it just the same as if this was a meeting

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with a client just as important.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:14:40

We haven't booked like have a recurring thing in my schedule.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:14:44

So that way nobody can book that time.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:14:46

And it's just the point as a client.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:14:48

So that way, like we are committed to having this meeting every week.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:14:51

And the same thing, one thing I used to do that I fallen out of is like, I

Daniel Abendroth: 00:14:55

know, um, My client work has a deadline.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:15:00

And so I know I'm going to do that no matter what.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:15:02

So I can afford to like, push that off later in the day and focus like

Daniel Abendroth: 00:15:07

earlier in the day to other things.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:15:10

So like, one thing I tried to do while back was like the morning time,

Daniel Abendroth: 00:15:14

like the first couple hours was on reading, like certain emails that

Daniel Abendroth: 00:15:18

helped me with my business, or like just focusing on the business in the

Daniel Abendroth: 00:15:21

morning and then doing client work later.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:15:24

So

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:15:24

can we talk about this a little bit?

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:15:26

Because it's something I've been thinking about, and that is when

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:15:30

am I the most productive and what should I be working on at that time?

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:15:36

I mean, you said Daniel, that you can push.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:15:39

You know, until later in the day?

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:15:41

Well, I can't like if I wake up early and I can get a lot of stuff

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:15:48

done before, like, you know, from like nine to two, I can take care

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:15:54

of all the, all the client work.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:15:55

And, and I, I edit faster.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:15:58

I have less interruptions.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:16:00

Like I think that's something really important that you should pay attention

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:16:04

to is like, when are you most productive?

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:16:06

What do you want to spend doing during that time?

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:16:09

When are the least interruptions?

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:16:11

Because like afternoon, till evening, you know, especially

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:16:14

with our family, you know, Brian,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:16:18

no idea,

Daniel Abendroth: 00:16:18

never heard of it.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:16:21

Um, it's just so much easier to when things are quiet and

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:16:25

you're focused to, you know, because I.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:16:32

We've been talking about this with my family is that, Hey, when you interrupt

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:16:35

me, it takes me about 30 minutes for me to get back onto a task as well.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:16:40

So, you know, that is one thing I have been trying to pay attention to.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:16:45

So one of the things that you guys have talked about, I

Bryan Entzminger: 00:16:47

think is something that we probably need to bring up because as a podcast

Bryan Entzminger: 00:16:51

service provider, there's a tendency to think that what I do is edit, right.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:16:55

But that's only one out of five or six big things that you do in your business.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:17:00

Right?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:17:00

So there's current client, client work.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:17:03

There's the potential to build something for the future coursework

Bryan Entzminger: 00:17:06

or things that could be recurring, uh, giveaways, there's business development,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:17:11

there's general administration.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:17:14

And ideally, then there's that ongoing learning.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:17:17

Right?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:17:18

So for me, because I've got roughly.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:17:23

Call it 15 ish, maybe 20 hours a week.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:17:26

That's my workweek for business because I've got morning and night

Bryan Entzminger: 00:17:31

work day in the middle, and then some time on, on Saturdays, try and take

Bryan Entzminger: 00:17:35

the full day off on Sunday, spend time with family, try and keep the

Bryan Entzminger: 00:17:37

at least some semblance of balance.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:17:39

And so for me, I tend to focus almost entirely on those immediate

Bryan Entzminger: 00:17:44

client deadlines, the things that are generating revenue today, and

Bryan Entzminger: 00:17:49

the things that I fail on are largely the things that generate revenue

Bryan Entzminger: 00:17:53

tomorrow or continue to up-skill me.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:17:55

So, as an example, I bought a couple of courses at the beginning of the year.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:18:00

One of them on podcast management, one on filling your pipeline, your

Bryan Entzminger: 00:18:04

sales pipeline, that kind of stuff.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:18:06

When the client work started coming back about March, April, all of that

Bryan Entzminger: 00:18:11

personal development stuff fell off.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:18:13

It's not that I don't care, but I'm out of hours to do that.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:18:16

And I find that I try to put too much stuff on my plate.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:18:21

And, and I would encourage those of you that are listening.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:18:23

If you're thinking that the only thing you do is client work and you're going well,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:18:26

I can do 20 hours of client work a week.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:18:28

That's great.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:18:28

But if you've only got 20 hours a week, do better than I did figure out how to

Bryan Entzminger: 00:18:33

fit those other pieces in there as well.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:18:35

And allocate your time between those four or five or six big buckets of

Bryan Entzminger: 00:18:39

things to do that better than I am.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:18:42

Because frankly, if, if you do business development better than

Bryan Entzminger: 00:18:45

I do, unless you really suck as an editor, you're going to pass me.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:18:49

It's going to happen because business development is what grows your business.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:18:52

And that's one of the things I'm not doing.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:18:55

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:18:55

And I am currently in the process of setting up like all the automation

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:19:01

redoing my website completely and.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:19:05

It is a time investment upfront.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:19:08

And I just, like I said to my stepdaughter today, I was like pleased.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:19:11

And next time it's tax season.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:19:13

Don't tell me not to do this,

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:19:17

having, I guess, having an awareness and, you know, being aware of how much

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:19:23

time you have, and actually sitting down with a calendar, I think in hindsight,

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:19:29

I think would be helpful for me.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:19:31

And last year I was much better at this as your, it I've kind of fallen

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:19:35

off the wagon, but I used to sit down in the, you know, every morning, every

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:19:40

Monday morning and kind of plan out my week and then try to be, I was

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:19:45

tried to be more realistic about it.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:19:48

And so I had been failing at that lately.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:19:52

Oh, total, total fail.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:19:54

And I keep telling myself this because I don't, I re my notebook ran out of pages

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:19:58

and I can't find another pretty notebook to do it in, but I think that's BS.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:20:06

I don't know what is, what is preventing me from doing it.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:20:09

But yeah, I really do need to get back to doing that because, uh, You

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:20:15

know, that I found really helpful.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:20:17

So,

Daniel Abendroth: 00:20:18

so two thoughts have popped up one kind of talking about kind

Daniel Abendroth: 00:20:23

of, I think a little bit, what you're talking about Carrie is like properly

Daniel Abendroth: 00:20:27

estimating how long something takes.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:20:30

And so what's something I used to do is show you, so if you are watching

Daniel Abendroth: 00:20:36

the audio, I'll, I'll put a picture in the show notes, so you can see

Daniel Abendroth: 00:20:40

what I'm talking about, but this is kind of how I used to schedule my day.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:20:45

So this is like a seven week planner and on one side would be like my to-do list.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:20:52

And I would estimate how long each task would take me.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:20:55

And then on the right side, I would actually document what I

Daniel Abendroth: 00:20:59

actually did in that timeframe.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:21:01

And so if I think this show is going to take me an hour and

Daniel Abendroth: 00:21:06

that's what I budget for, but ends up taking me an hour and a half.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:21:09

I know next time, like make sure to give myself more time when I'm planning my day.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:21:14

So I found that to be quite helpful.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:21:16

Do you still do that?

Daniel Abendroth: 00:21:18

I don't.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:21:19

Is that because you have now have a better

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:21:21

idea of how much time things

Daniel Abendroth: 00:21:22

take?

Daniel Abendroth: 00:21:23

I think so.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:21:24

Not necessarily, like, I know this show's going to take me 30 minutes.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:21:27

I know this show is pretty much like on Wednesday.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:21:30

I edit the shows and on Thursday at, at these shows in order to

Daniel Abendroth: 00:21:35

keep up with my deadline schedule.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:21:38

That's kind of how I do it.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:21:40

So wait, I have,

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:21:41

so it's just on this thread, like when your clients

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:21:45

though, because they are the unpredictable thing in the business and not every

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:21:52

client is going to be consistent.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:21:54

So what do you do when they're like, like I had a client who was sick

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:21:59

this week and he's like, oh, I can't get to the episode till tomorrow.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:22:03

So how do you deal with that if you had scheduled to do it on like

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:22:06

Wednesday and tomorrow's Friday?

Daniel Abendroth: 00:22:09

Um, so at least for this is true for me, my.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:22:13

The clients that are inconsistent are very consistent about it.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:22:20

I know which clients are the ones.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:22:22

And for some reason, there's one day like the, my clients that

Daniel Abendroth: 00:22:26

release on Thursdays seem to be the ones that struggle the most.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:22:29

I don't know why it's that particular day, but I know which clients are the

Daniel Abendroth: 00:22:33

ones that's going to be struggling.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:22:34

So I know like they released on Thursday, then I can schedule like Wednesday.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:22:40

Like I set aside set time aside Wednesday for their show.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:22:45

And if they don't get it to me in time, then like they get it to me like late.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:22:49

It's like, well, I can't do it this day.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:22:51

Thursday is when I'll get to it to release on Friday.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:22:54

Ha so the comment from see Mojica or Gado, I'm sorry if I butchered that haha.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:23:00

Client are the unpredictable thing, Carrie.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:23:02

Yes.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:23:03

And so I know I can set aside time, Wednesday and if they don't get it to

Daniel Abendroth: 00:23:06

me now, I have free time on Wednesday.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:23:09

And I don't have any clients that released Friday, Saturday, or Sunday.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:23:13

So like, I don't have any major deadlines on Thursday, so my

Daniel Abendroth: 00:23:17

Thursdays are pretty free.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:23:19

It's just kinda like working into the schedule based on their inconsistency.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:23:24

I think the hack that I use is I commit to seven day turnaround,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:23:29

but I can do much better than that.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:23:32

Right.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:23:32

And so if things come in.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:23:35

All at the same time, I may have to prioritize things.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:23:37

So if I had say three different clients, I'll drop on the same day

Bryan Entzminger: 00:23:41

and ask for a short turnaround time.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:23:43

In that instance, I might have to say, sorry, I can't do it all.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:23:46

But in general, if somebody is, if I need to be a little bit flexible, I have that

Bryan Entzminger: 00:23:51

built in, and then that's something that I can offer them and say, Hey, you know,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:23:55

I could, I could go ahead and do this.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:23:57

Um, because I mean, assuming that it's not a terrible interview with

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:03

like five people on it, right.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:04

I can generally, well, I don't know that I've ever had five, four, probably.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:10

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:10

But yeah, those kinds of things I can do.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:13

And the other thing that I do, and I was talking to somebody this week,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:16

because I feel like there's a way that we should be able to reverse

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:19

engineer this and make it predictive.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:21

But I track for every episode that I edit, I track.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:24

How, what was the duration of the raw audio?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:26

How many participants were there and how long did it take me to do the various

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:30

parts of the editing so that if I get.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:34

A single track from one person where it's a monologue and it's 30 minutes.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:38

I know that that might take me an hour, hour and 15 minutes.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:41

If I get a monologue from another person who's not quite as well

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:43

spoken, that might take an hour and a half to two hours to process.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:48

So it just, I do that kind of thing.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:51

And in my mind, I think there's gotta be a way to turn this into somewhat

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:55

predictive math to say, you know, this client typically takes this

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:59

long for this duration of audio.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:01

How long do these things that seemed like they would take?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:04

I just haven't figured out how to do that yet.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:25:07

Why am I not surprised that you track?

Daniel Abendroth: 00:25:08

Um,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:09

I'm a nerd.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:25:10

I, that actually take you to enter that in because.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:15

I do it while it's mixing down.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:17

Right.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:17

So, so I use a time tracker, that's built into my project management tool.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:22

So when I go to editing, I just hit the timer and say, I'm editing.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:25

And then when I finished editing the timer's done.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:27

When I move on to mix and master than, or T to mastering, then I just

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:31

put that stuff in the spreadsheet.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:33

And the only thing that's left when I'm done is to track what

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:36

was the final length of the audio?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:37

When did I finally deliver the thing?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:39

And how long did it take for the mastering?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:40

So in general, it doesn't take that much more time.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:44

It takes more time to zip an archive of the files and it does to track

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:47

the, the administrative portion.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:49

But what happens when you're getting

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:25:50

interrupted?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:51

I kill people.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:52

No.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:55

So this is where I generally, we have an advantage over you because I

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:58

edit between six and 7:00 AM when the kids are getting ready for school.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:26:02

And I edit typically between eight 30 and 10 30 at night, when the

Bryan Entzminger: 00:26:05

kids are supposed to be in bed.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:26:07

And generally I don't have a lot of interruptions.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:26:09

And if I do, I just pause the timer.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

: 00:26:12

Well, are you using it?

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

: 00:26:14

And so

Bryan Entzminger: 00:26:15

I use click up for tax task management and it

Bryan Entzminger: 00:26:19

has a built-in timer if you pay for the paid version, which I do.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:26:23

And so I just start the timer on the task that I'm working on.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:26:27

And then when I'm done, I just drop the little, I dropped the time

Bryan Entzminger: 00:26:30

information into a Google sheet.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:26:33

So you want to, so let's go with the Tim Ferriss thing, right?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:26:37

If there's something that needs to happen, eliminate what doesn't need to

Bryan Entzminger: 00:26:40

happen, automate what you can delegate.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:26:41

What's not important for you to do.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:26:42

And then you only do the rest, right?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:26:44

So for clients, I have as much set up to automate through Zapier or whatever.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:26:49

So I have a client that uses Trello as soon as she drops a card on the,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:26:54

the thing that says this is for Brian to do it creates a task for

Bryan Entzminger: 00:26:58

me and clip, click up and it creates a record for me in Google sheets.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:27:01

And so then between those two, I can use, click up to track the stuff.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:27:04

And then Google sheets is where I then, uh, archive the information.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:27:09

Is that right?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:27:10

Yes.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:27:10

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:27:11

But speaking of time management and things that need to be done, I think

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:27:15

that you should release like, uh, or sell all these spreadsheets you

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:27:20

talk about, because I couldn't even begin to imagine how to make them.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:27:26

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:27:26

I mean, sadly, it's nothing special, but, um, maybe

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:27:32

I think it's very special.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:27:33

Okay.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:27:34

I am not, it's not special to you

Daniel Abendroth: 00:27:36

because you take the knowledge

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:27:38

you are.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:27:38

Uh, we, we, we are, uh, not spreadsheet gifted, like you are.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:27:43

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:27:44

And then Kareem says I stopped using click up because of the unbearable starting

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:27:48

loading times it happened randomly.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:27:52

Okay.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:27:52

But let's talk about that for a second, because I mean, he's talking

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:27:56

about click up in this particular instance, but what are those predict

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:28:01

productivity like time management killers?

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:28:05

Right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:28:05

So I'm thinking like when I was dealing with the latest windows update, right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:28:12

It was absolutely horrible because my sound would go out every,

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:28:16

every five minutes or every time I put a plugin in audition,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:28:21

I think probably the worst time management killer

Bryan Entzminger: 00:28:24

for me is when a client decides they want to reorder their episodes.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:28:27

Oh, they want to insert something in.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:28:29

So I have a client who's typically a couple of months ahead and every

Bryan Entzminger: 00:28:34

once in a while, he'll want to drop an, an episode mid cycle, right?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:28:37

So it's not just, it's not necessarily change the dates,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:28:40

although it could be, but it's also like re reordering everything.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:28:44

And because I have tracking and click up and tracking in Google

Bryan Entzminger: 00:28:48

sheets, and then I also have the project folders on my computer.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:28:52

I have to go back through and make sure that everything is renamed

Bryan Entzminger: 00:28:55

properly, or there's about an a hundred percent chance I'll be editing

Bryan Entzminger: 00:28:58

the wrong thing at the wrong time.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:29:00

Right.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:29:00

Cause the, I set the system up so that as long as I do a little bit of management

Bryan Entzminger: 00:29:08

of the system, the system can manage me.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:29:10

So I know that I'm on episode 52 because that's what's click, click up says, so

Bryan Entzminger: 00:29:14

I go to folder for episode number 52, all the files are there and ready to go

Bryan Entzminger: 00:29:18

because they've just been sitting there, hanging out, waiting for me to work.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:29:21

If I don't keep that stuff aligned.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:29:23

I mean, that's like easy 30 to 45 minutes to reorder stuff and make

Bryan Entzminger: 00:29:27

sure that it all stays in order.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:29:29

And that's, that's where my system breaks down.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:29:33

Right.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:29:33

Is when, when something's in there and it has to be updated.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:29:36

And I don't have a fix for that because it's not all sync there's, I don't know

Bryan Entzminger: 00:29:41

of a way to update a task and click up and have it update a specific record in

Bryan Entzminger: 00:29:45

Google sheets, because there's nothing in Zapier or any other tool that says, this

Bryan Entzminger: 00:29:49

is the one that you need to monkey with.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:29:51

Right.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:29:51

It can create a new one, but it doesn't know what to do with the other stuff.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:29:55

Right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:29:56

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:29:56

What about you, Daniel?

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:29:58

What's your,

Daniel Abendroth: 00:30:00

it used to be.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:30:02

The interruptions.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:30:04

So my wife and I worked together, like I mentioned earlier, and if she had a

Daniel Abendroth: 00:30:08

question about something by a client or whatever, she would just like ask me.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:30:12

And like you were saying earlier care, whenever you get those

Daniel Abendroth: 00:30:14

interruptions, that's like 30 minutes to get back on track.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:30:17

So we actually it's the most ridiculous thing, but we

Daniel Abendroth: 00:30:20

started using slack together.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:30:23

So like, like this is my desk, she's literally three feet over there.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:30:29

We just high-five and we'll be slacking each other back and forth.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:30:32

That way she can send me, ask me the questions and I can get to it whenever

Daniel Abendroth: 00:30:36

I have the time to devote to them.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:30:39

I,

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:30:40

I, my husband does, you know, he helps me, but he

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:30:42

doesn't do well with new technology.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:30:45

Um, and I, cause I tried slack and that's kinda what I was hoping for it,

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:30:48

but that didn't quite work out that way.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:30:50

So, you know, kudos to you.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:30:53

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:30:55

And the other thing for me is burnout.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:30:57

Uh, so like I don't have kids and I work with my wife.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:31:02

So there's the work-life balance.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:31:05

Like doesn't exist because I don't really have a separate life outside of work

Daniel Abendroth: 00:31:11

because my family is part of my work.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:31:14

And so it's easy for me to just get sucked into work all day, every day and

Daniel Abendroth: 00:31:19

not take time for like, just for myself.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:31:22

So that's, for me, it's like in the middle of the day, it's just like, I get

Daniel Abendroth: 00:31:25

caught up, like watching a video or doing something else because like, I just can't

Daniel Abendroth: 00:31:29

like mentally focus on the task at hand.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:31:33

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:31:33

I think that's important, right?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:31:34

To plan in some kind of breaks.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:31:36

If you, if you worked in an office or on a production line,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:31:40

there are built in breaks.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:31:43

Yeah, you can't focus for eight hours straight on the same thing.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:31:47

Like say you worked at a bomb factory, right?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:31:50

Like the worst idea is to have somebody working 12 hour, four twelves at a

Bryan Entzminger: 00:31:54

bomb factory and not having a break because somebody's going to die.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:31:58

Right.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:31:59

You're going to lose focus.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:32:00

Thankfully.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:32:01

It's nothing that critical for us, but yeah, it's a, it's a big deal,

Daniel Abendroth: 00:32:05

super consistent about it, but I try very hard to

Daniel Abendroth: 00:32:07

make sure I take off every Friday.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:32:10

Like no work, no nothing.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:32:12

I just do what I want to do.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:32:14

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:32:14

That I, even though I'm not so well organized, I will plan if I know

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:32:23

that, um, a client's gonna be late or something's gonna need to be done on the

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:32:27

weekend, then I'll take a weekday off.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:32:30

Right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:32:30

Like today I did a couple of hours of work and then.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:32:36

You know, play or call of duty because that's my new thing.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:32:40

And then I showed up here, right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:32:43

Because I know that there are things I'm going to need to be doing on Saturday.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:32:46

And I have like coaching on, I, you know, I do coaching on

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:32:48

the weekends and you know, so I make sure that I have that time.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:32:54

Um, because that avoid, if you work seven days a week for like,

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:32:59

I dunno, seven days or 14 days, you're just going to hate your job.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:33:03

You're going to hate what you do.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:33:05

And you're just going to want to hide from it because that

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:33:09

doesn't help you make money.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:33:10

It doesn't help you feel good about anything.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:33:12

So it doesn't help your health.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:33:14

It doesn't help you.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:33:15

So I think that burnout thing is really important to like, And taking breaks.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:33:21

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:33:21

To make sure that you have, um, some self-care going on, not even just

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:33:26

with your family, but with yourself.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:33:28

Right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:33:28

Get out, go take a walk, go outside to the flowers, go outside.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:33:33

And that was it position I was in, it was like seven days a week

Daniel Abendroth: 00:33:37

for months and being self-employed, you know, I set my own schedule so I

Daniel Abendroth: 00:33:41

can take, like, if I want to take a three hour lunch and just kind of like

Daniel Abendroth: 00:33:45

chill and watch YouTube for a while.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:33:46

Like I can.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:33:47

So I was kind of getting through by just taking like a little bit of

Daniel Abendroth: 00:33:51

time throughout the day and like late at night I would do my own thing.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:33:55

But yeah, I can only do that.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:33:56

I feel guilty

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

: 00:33:56

about taking breaks.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

: 00:33:57

So I'm curious if

Daniel Abendroth: 00:33:58

you guys absolutely taking an entire day

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:03

off preposterous is very painful.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:07

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:07

Because.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:09

And like our strategic about it.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:11

So like I take Fridays off because no shows of mine release on Friday.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:16

So I don't have to worry about like checking to make sure

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:18

everything released correctly.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:21

I don't have any issues that way.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:22

And nothing happens on Saturday and Sunday.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:25

So I don't have to worry about like, I'm not struggling to meet a deadline.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:30

So Friday is like the perfect day to take off.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:32

But even still it's.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:34

I'm doing this thing for myself, but I could be working ahead on these

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:40

shows that are coming out next week.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:41

I could be fixing issues on my website.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:45

I could be doing this, this and this.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:46

Like, it's really hard.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:48

And especially whenever like emails don't stop just because you take a day off.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:51

But,

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:34:51

so, okay.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:34:52

But that's another great question because those boundaries, um, what

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:34:57

I find is like, I am not wanting when I'm like taking time off.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:35:01

I do not want my phone near me.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:35:03

Right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:35:03

That's not great for like my family, um, because I don't get their like messages

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:35:09

or phone calls, but because I see those emails coming in the notifications and I

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:35:15

don't know how to use my iPhone very well.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:35:16

I'm going to need some late, but I get, I just, I get like sucked back in so easily.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:35:24

So what do y'all do for that?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:35:27

I mean, one thing that gets me in trouble is my phone spends

Bryan Entzminger: 00:35:31

about, uh, about 99.7% of its time in, on vibrate and not always near me.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:35:38

And that gets me in trouble when my wife texts me.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:35:41

And I don't answer because I didn't hear it vibrate.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:35:44

Um, but also, and then also I've turned off a lot of the notifications

Bryan Entzminger: 00:35:50

that would normally interrupt you.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:35:51

So I don't get email notifications on my phone.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:35:54

I don't get Facebook messenger notifications on my phone.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:35:58

I get some of the normal annoyances that come through because it like some of the

Bryan Entzminger: 00:36:02

apps won't let you turn one thing off.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:36:04

You have to turn the whole thing off.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:36:05

And so, because of one value added haptic, I have to leave all the crap on.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:36:10

Thank you Twitter.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:36:11

But, but that stuff not withstanding.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:36:15

That's one thing is I just, I leave it on vibrate and then if

Bryan Entzminger: 00:36:19

I really need to focus, I may put it in do not disturb mode.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:36:22

I don't really like the whole power it off power backup thing.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:36:25

That for me is just a pain in the can.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:36:27

Um, I don't know.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:36:28

What about you, Daniel?

Daniel Abendroth: 00:36:30

Um, I don't know if this is the right answer, but

Daniel Abendroth: 00:36:32

I've just because sometimes there are fires to put out on my day off and I

Daniel Abendroth: 00:36:37

do want to like still be connected.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:36:41

So if like a client comes back saying like, Hey, there's

Daniel Abendroth: 00:36:43

an issue with this episode.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:36:45

Part of my customer service, I like the value I offer to my clients is like

Daniel Abendroth: 00:36:50

being able to take care of those things.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:36:52

I do keep my phone and keep my emails, but I feel like I've gotten

Daniel Abendroth: 00:36:55

better was that you have a VA, right?

Daniel Abendroth: 00:36:58

I do, because she doesn't handle that kind of thing.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:37:01

I haven't gotten to the point where I can trust a third party

Daniel Abendroth: 00:37:05

with the login credentials to my clients, like share via host.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:37:09

So I thought I'd take care of all that.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:37:11

I

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:11

guess I was thinking like, if you could have your VA as is

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:14

male or female, I don't know female.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:17

Okay.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:17

Is her, I just wanted to use the right pronoun.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:20

Um, so if, if she could take those communications and pass on to you,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:25

the things that are urgent based on like issue with the client's episode,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:28

something like that, and have her be that contact, then maybe you don't

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:33

have to have your phone available.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:35

You could have a way set up for her to contact you if it's critical.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:37:40

Um, the issue with that would be I don't set her hours because

Daniel Abendroth: 00:37:45

she is a contractor mainly like she works.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:37:49

Before me in the day.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:37:51

So that way, like she can verify, um, so she checks like all my episodes,

Daniel Abendroth: 00:37:55

like I scheduled for release in the morning, she listens through and check,

Daniel Abendroth: 00:38:00

make sure I didn't leave a long pause.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:38:02

There's any kind of just like quality, final quality check.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:38:05

And she does that before I start my day.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:38:08

So that way whenever I get going, and then she also goes through my email and

Daniel Abendroth: 00:38:11

like source through what's important.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:38:12

What's not.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:38:14

So like she works early in the morning and wouldn't, isn't

Daniel Abendroth: 00:38:16

always around later in the day.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:38:18

Gotcha.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:38:19

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:38:21

And she's not like on call.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:38:25

Yeah, well, that's one of the things my

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:38:27

husband does is, um, he'll check.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:38:29

He gets up, oh, so early in the morning earlier than Brian.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:38:34

And so he will check the inbox and if there's something important, he will

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:38:37

wake me up and I will deal with it.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:38:39

But, um, Kareem says during work, I turn off all phone notifications and only

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:38:44

check my email once every two hours or so.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:38:48

And I try to, okay.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:38:49

So I honestly don't know I've turned my notifications off and I don't know how

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:38:54

to make my phone make sound again for any kind of alert except for the alarms.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:38:57

I do not know what I'm doing.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:38:59

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:39:00

So it's, it's always wrong.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:39:02

It's never, you know, a sound when I want it and no sound when I don't want it.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:39:05

Also, I have started besides my husband checking emails.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:39:10

So I will check my email, like at the beginning of my day before lunch.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:39:16

And then at the end of the day, because it's so distracting because

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:39:19

we're when we're flipping time, we're constantly transitioning from

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:39:23

tasks to tasks as entrepreneur.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:39:25

And it really does take you a while to like, shift your focus like that.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:39:29

Like,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:39:30

yeah.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:39:31

And that's, that's a definite hack.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:39:33

So when I, when I say I get up and I work from six to seven,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:39:36

I don't have my email open.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:39:38

Right.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:39:39

And it's not.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:39:41

And, and honestly it's become such a habit now that I don't

Bryan Entzminger: 00:39:43

even think about it early on.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:39:44

I had to remember not to do that, but once you get used to it, like, it can

Bryan Entzminger: 00:39:48

be really nice to get that first hour ish in and have that part knocked out.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:39:54

Um, I think one of the things that we're kind of talking around and

Bryan Entzminger: 00:39:59

maybe just haven't said expressly.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:01

As a business owner, as an entrepreneur, it can feel like

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:05

everybody's in charge of your time.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:08

And there's always somebody wanting to sell you something else that you can do

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:12

for them or that they can help you do for like, there's always another opportunity.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:17

The job, a big part of the job is deciding how big a playing field you

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:21

want to have, and then figuring out how to fit the game onto that field.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:25

If that makes sense, I'm using a sport and sports analogy, because I hear understand

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:28

other people understand sports things.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:30

So I'm S I'm assuming like fo uh, football, either American or European

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:37

football, the other, the rest of the world's football, the field is a

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:40

certain size and everybody, every part of the game has to fit on that field

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:44

or something is called out of bounds.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:46

And I think as business owners, it's our job to decide how big our field is.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:50

So in my case, right now, my field is three hours a day in some time on

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:54

Saturday, that's the size of the field.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:56

And so everything has to fit on that or something has to go or

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:59

has to be delegated, or like some, something has to go off my plate

Bryan Entzminger: 00:41:02

because my field is only that big.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:41:04

I can't take time for my daytime employer.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:41:08

My business, because not only would they get really upset, but that's kind

Bryan Entzminger: 00:41:11

of a crappy way to treat my employer.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:41:14

Who's making this all possible.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:41:16

Just quit.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:41:18

That's awesome.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:41:18

Thank you.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

: 00:41:20

Uh, football editing.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

: 00:41:22

Uh, okay, so Daniel, I think you had something you wanted to share or bring

Daniel Abendroth: 00:41:27

up.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:41:29

Yeah, kind of in that vein, it's something you mentioned earlier, Brian

Daniel Abendroth: 00:41:31

was just the thought I had about that is being conscious of what your capacity

Daniel Abendroth: 00:41:37

is and making arrangements beforehand.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:41:41

So like right now, like I'm looking to hire a couple editors because

Daniel Abendroth: 00:41:46

like I've reached my capacity.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:41:48

The problem with that is I'm at my capacity and the process of

Daniel Abendroth: 00:41:52

finding contractors takes time.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:41:54

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:41:55

So there's that struggle.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:41:56

So, and Carrie mentioned wanting to get her automations in place and

Daniel Abendroth: 00:42:00

Brian, you have wonderful automations.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:42:02

It's just like having all your systems in place as you're building, when you

Daniel Abendroth: 00:42:07

still, before we reached capacity, because once you reach capacity.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:42:10

Oh, it's so hard.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:42:11

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:42:12

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:42:13

Trying to find a contractor, trying to build a system that they can fit

Daniel Abendroth: 00:42:16

into all while you're at capacity.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:42:19

So just like, be aware and make arrangements like

Daniel Abendroth: 00:42:22

before you get to that point.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:42:25

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:42:27

Oh, go ahead.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:42:28

You know, if you are just starting out, please, you know, set this up first or

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:42:33

start talking, thinking about this first, before you start getting all your clients,

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:42:38

like if you can start at zero and kind of think through these systems and this

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:42:43

time management thing, because doing it in hindsight and backtracking is tough.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:42:48

I mean, like hiring contractors, you know, I said, I'm getting my systems in place.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:42:52

Well, I hired somebody to get my systems in place and it's even hard to like manage

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:42:58

that piece and being able to like check up on the work he's done because everything,

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:43:03

you know, occasionally just gets crazy.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:43:06

I think.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:43:07

So this is something that I've done in the past, in my work

Bryan Entzminger: 00:43:09

life, as well as my business.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:43:11

Because I have found myself at capacity and still needing to do more.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:43:16

And in those instances, I feel like there's like three things you,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:43:20

well, four things you can do, right?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:43:21

One is you can just not do something.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:43:23

Another is, you can just try and push through, but if you really

Bryan Entzminger: 00:43:25

want to make a change, you either try and find the highest leverage

Bryan Entzminger: 00:43:29

thing to make progress on.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:43:30

So in your case, getting your business systems in place or whatever, or.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:43:36

Finding the one thing that will deliver you a little bit of time every day,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:43:40

that doesn't take long to knock out.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:43:42

And my, my recommendation is actually to do the one little thing a day.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:43:47

So maybe you can't automate your entire thing, but there's a portion

Bryan Entzminger: 00:43:51

that you can automate, or there's a portion that you can pass off.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:43:54

Maybe you don't have time to bring in a full VA, but your spouse or a kid or

Bryan Entzminger: 00:43:58

a friend can help you with some portion of that, get that five or 10 or 15

Bryan Entzminger: 00:44:02

minutes back a day and use that time to then move on to the next biggest thing.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:44:06

Because what you'll find is that ultimately you can snowball that to

Bryan Entzminger: 00:44:09

where at some point you're able to start tackling those bigger things.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:44:13

But if you've got like, Carrie's got this thing where she had to hire

Bryan Entzminger: 00:44:17

somebody to come in and set up those systems, if she couldn't hire somebody,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:44:20

this could be a month or a year long.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:44:22

Thing trying to get that in place all the while she's still floundering,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:44:27

you know, trying to, trying to tread water and get all this stuff set up.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:44:31

So like, if you can't, if you can't bring somebody in, find a way to do something

Bryan Entzminger: 00:44:35

small and get that something small off.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:44:39

Yeah, I think the baby steps really do add up.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:44:41

Um, in, in anything you do.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:44:44

So like with Instagram, for Daniel, one story a week, you know, I feel

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:44:51

like if Instagram envy, because he brought it up a couple of times, but

Bryan Entzminger: 00:44:55

Daniel, let me go a

Daniel Abendroth: 00:44:56

little bit.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:44:58

And it also doesn't help that we're like, we've been in the process of rebranding.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:45:02

And so like, it doesn't make sense to like post on Instagram, like everything's

Daniel Abendroth: 00:45:05

going to change at some point.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:45:06

Right?

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:45:07

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:45:07

And that, and that at least back to the, kind of the seen other people do it.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:45:11

And that's the other thing is, is giving yourself some grace, because we are

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:45:15

juggling so many things and everybody has different priorities, right?

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:45:21

I mean, there's some people like they only want like two editing clients, but

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:45:25

they want to like do all these courses.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:45:27

Right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:45:27

Or they want to work on some of them.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:45:30

Business type things for, you know, whatever.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:45:33

I don't know what people do.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:45:34

Honestly.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:45:35

I don't have a lot of time to pay attention these days.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:45:39

Um, but like everybody's priorities, everybody's goals are different.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:45:42

And I think that not comparing yourself and just giving yourself

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:45:46

some grace to just, you know, if you get overwhelmed, just go watch some

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:45:50

Netflix for a little while appeal.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:45:52

All right.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:45:53

And that's kind of like, what I've learned is

Daniel Abendroth: 00:45:55

like, Instagram is not for me.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:45:57

Like Facebook ads are not for me.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:45:58

Like these other things.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:45:59

Like, they're just not for me.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:46:00

And I don't need to put my hand in everything just because

Daniel Abendroth: 00:46:03

somebody else's doing it

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:46:05

and it's good to let other people.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:46:08

Oh at what they're great at too, you know, I, you know, sometimes I'm like, I

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:46:15

tell myself, thank goodness they're doing that because I don't have time for it.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:46:21

Touch on Kareem's question.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:46:22

Cause I think it just kind of keyed into what you were talking about.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:46:25

Kareem asks, is it easy to transfer your editing style

Bryan Entzminger: 00:46:28

to new subcontracted editors?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:46:30

And I think we've all got, I think at this point, some experience with

Bryan Entzminger: 00:46:33

that, my experience, the subcontractor, the editor that I've worked with.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:46:38

I started talking to him, partly because we had both been through Chris

Bryan Entzminger: 00:46:42

Curran's podcast engineering school.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:46:44

And so now I knew that he had a similar foundation in terms of

Bryan Entzminger: 00:46:48

the approach to audio processing.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:46:51

And then the way I talked with him about it was we went through a

Bryan Entzminger: 00:46:55

couple of rounds where I would say, okay, here's what I'm looking for.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:46:58

Send me back and then I'll send you revisions.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:47:01

Right?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:47:01

And so it took a couple of passes the first couple of times until he got an

Bryan Entzminger: 00:47:04

understanding, because it's really easy to say, I want you to cut 85 to 90% of

Bryan Entzminger: 00:47:09

the ums and leave in the breasts, but shorten the silences, but not too much,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:47:13

like that starts to get really weird.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:47:14

But as you start doing it and you stop me coming back and saying,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:47:18

I'm sorry, you got this wrong.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:47:19

It's me saying, I probably didn't explain this well, or this is what I meant.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:47:23

And that, you know, you start to develop a field because it isn't easy

Bryan Entzminger: 00:47:27

to say this is specifically what I do.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:47:29

What, what about you guys?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:47:31

I

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:47:31

would say in a lot of ways, no, it's not.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:47:35

Right because everybody, you know, unless you are in a situation where

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:47:39

you're learning together or you've been trained to do it the same way, I

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:47:43

think everybody has a different style.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:47:46

They have a different ear.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:47:48

And there's actually a lot of conversation that has to go on

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:47:53

about how you like things done, how your clients, like things done.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:47:57

Cause even that's an added layer because your clients have their own style.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:48:02

And then it is, I think it's just a process, you know, managing

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:48:06

people is also time-consuming.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:48:08

So there's actually, it does make your life easier and then went wrong long run.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:48:12

But there is work that goes along with contracting out people.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:48:17

So I wouldn't say it was easy.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:48:19

I'd say it's helpful, but not how about

Daniel Abendroth: 00:48:21

you Daniel?

Daniel Abendroth: 00:48:22

I would say I haven't actually hired a editor yet,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:48:27

but, but you've interviewed some people, right.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:48:29

Or at least talk to some people have

Daniel Abendroth: 00:48:31

started the process.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:48:32

I've got an applicant.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:48:34

And then I haven't had the time or bandwidth to move forward too much with

Bryan Entzminger: 00:48:38

that.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:48:39

Okay.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:48:39

Well go ahead, Carrie,

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:48:42

add that, like when you find those right people,

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:48:45

it's a wonderful, wonderful thing.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:48:48

Like I trust my, my editors with everything.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:48:53

I know they'll ask questions.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:48:55

I know they'll give good feedback.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:48:57

You know, I know they're gonna, you know, get things done, be timely, be dependent.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:49:01

Like that's amazing where I can just be like, I know Ella Honduras, you

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:49:06

know, I don't have to worry about this because Alejandro has got it.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:49:09

Right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:49:10

And I can take the day off because Alejandro and my, you know, so yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:49:15

It's absolutely wonderful.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:49:18

Thank you for chiming in Jennifer.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:49:20

Who's saying I'm too busy to keep up, but too lazy to manage other people.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:49:27

It is some work.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:49:28

It is some work.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:49:29

It is,

Daniel Abendroth: 00:49:30

but that's also a point going back to what your capacity is.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:49:33

Just keeping in mind that before you reach your capacity, not like hiring

Daniel Abendroth: 00:49:39

an editor is great to take it out, load off your plate, but you're adding more

Daniel Abendroth: 00:49:42

to your plate while you bring while they go through the onboarding process.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:49:46

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:49:46

And I guess I'll kind of recall back to our episode with Brittany, Felix.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:49:50

I don't remember which episode number it was.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:49:52

Uh, but she talked about like her process of, she will like get on a call, like

Daniel Abendroth: 00:49:57

on a video chat or so I think so, and like edit with her new contractor so

Daniel Abendroth: 00:50:04

the contractor can see her process.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:50:08

That's actually, yeah, I remember that.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:50:10

That's really smart.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:50:10

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:50:10

I don't remember

Bryan Entzminger: 00:50:11

that one.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:50:11

That is, that is good.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:50:13

Well, it's Brittany, Felix.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:50:14

I think she mentioned on this show.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:50:17

Somewhere else, like, no, it was,

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:50:19

I remember, well, I'm going to hope it was

Daniel Abendroth: 00:50:22

our chest.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:50:23

She, no matter what she's on, she's always dropping gyms.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:50:25

So it's hard to keep them all.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:50:27

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:50:28

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:50:29

We just need to put her in a bottle.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:50:31

Uh, so Kareem says that his experience has been with graphics and illustrations

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:50:36

and he wasn't even able to start to subcontract his own style.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:50:41

And I think that's true of any client work.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:50:44

You always got to follow the boss's style,

Daniel Abendroth: 00:50:47

even when they're wrong, but also keep in mind that

Daniel Abendroth: 00:50:49

there's not one way to do anything.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:50:51

And just because like a subcontractor isn't doing it the

Daniel Abendroth: 00:50:55

same, exactly what you would do.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:50:56

It doesn't mean that it's wrong or inferior.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:51:00

And I would add to that.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:51:02

I think there's, it's a little bit different with editing somebody else's

Bryan Entzminger: 00:51:06

content as opposed to creating your own.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:51:09

Right.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:51:09

So.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:51:11

The way I understand graphic design is I'm starting with a, maybe a design

Bryan Entzminger: 00:51:15

brief or something, and I've got to create something out of nothing it's

Bryan Entzminger: 00:51:18

different too, to approach the editing portion and say, so if you think about

Bryan Entzminger: 00:51:23

like developing film or something, there are different ways you can develop

Bryan Entzminger: 00:51:26

film, but the photos already been taken.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:51:28

It's just a matter of drawing out what you want.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:51:30

And there is definitely a creative process to that, but it's not like trying to

Bryan Entzminger: 00:51:34

create something literally out of nothing.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:51:37

And I think there's probably a little bit more can't think of the

Bryan Entzminger: 00:51:42

word grace that goes with that.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:51:44

Right?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:51:44

So it doesn't have to be, it's a little, it's a little bit different in my mind.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:51:48

Maybe I'm wrong.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:51:49

I don't know.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:51:50

I feel like this whole business requires a lot

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:51:53

of grace and a lot of prayers now.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:51:57

I'm, I'm, I'm being silly just cause I've been, yeah, this, this episode is very

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:52:03

timely for me because I have been having.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:52:06

A lot of time management issues, for whatever reasons the, I find I'm finding

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:52:11

this personally helpful and enlightening.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:52:13

Awesome.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:52:14

So you're coming off of a year of really intense

Bryan Entzminger: 00:52:18

learning and trying not to take on new business to now building business.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:52:22

And it's a challenge to keep everything.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:52:25

Rolling.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:52:26

Yes.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:52:27

And I don't know, I, I went to my mother's last week or the

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:52:30

week before and everything had been in the business had been nice and calm and

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:52:35

going steady and, you know, even keel.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:52:39

And so I didn't like make a big deal.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:52:40

I was like, oh, is this working while I'm there?

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:52:42

Every, I swear, every single client, everybody who's ever worked with me in

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:52:46

the past sent me an email that week.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:52:50

It's like, the universe was like, oh, she's ready.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:52:53

And, um, just went boom.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:52:56

And then I was, you know, started redesigning my systems and

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:52:59

all, you know, so much stuff.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:53:00

So yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:53:01

Now I'm just like, okay, all right, I'm good.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:53:04

I'm good.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:06

You bring up a good thought exercise, right?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:08

If you think through your typical work week, if you were

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:11

to try and take some time off.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:14

What are the things that would need to continue to have attention or have the

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:17

probability to break while you're, and maybe this is a topic for a new episode.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:22

I don't know.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:22

What are the things that have a probability to break or to need

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:24

attention if you were to take a day or a week or a month off, because

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:29

then those become the things that long-term you need to think about.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:31

Okay.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:32

How can I build that out so that it doesn't depend on me and

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:36

this again, is thinking like, I want to be the business owner.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:38

Not saying I don't want to work in the business.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:40

I still do.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:42

But like, if, if I was a doctor and I have a practice of one, if I'm

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:48

out the whole practice shuts down.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:53:50

Yes.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:53:51

And some doctors are like, which is highly inconvenient.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:53:55

It is, that is a fabulous, um, thought exercise.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:53:59

I had never really thought about it before.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:54:02

Definitely somebody simply to watch the email that just, it just has to be done.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:54:08

And then.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:54:09

Having that team of editors in case something does come up,

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:54:13

something needs to be revised.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:54:14

I can throw it to them and be like, you know, oh, can you fix this?

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:54:18

And then having, um, somebody just inspect for quality.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:54:22

So it just makes it easier.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:54:23

So things don't come back.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:54:25

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:54:26

And then billing, right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:54:28

Billing takes up a lot of time for me.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:54:31

Um, which is not a bad problem, but making sure that the invoices

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:54:37

go out in a timely manner

Bryan Entzminger: 00:54:39

and that they're right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

: 00:54:40

And that they're right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

: 00:54:42

Yes.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

: 00:54:42

So the last thing you want to do is have an incorrect invoice that is, yeah.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:54:46

Not fun in business.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:54:47

There's two things you don't mess with.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:54:48

People's time off and people's money.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:54:51

Those are the things you don't want.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:54:53

Well, I feel like we're getting down to the end, so we should probably hit

Bryan Entzminger: 00:54:57

the pod decks question of the day.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:54:58

Are you guys all right with that?

Daniel Abendroth: 00:55:00

Of course.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:55:00

Okay.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:55:01

So for those of you, yeah, in the chat, we'd like to have your answers as well.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:55:05

If you're listening to the replay, we'd love to have you

Bryan Entzminger: 00:55:07

stop by and give your answer.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:55:08

This is a pod deck that I just chose randomly out of the deck of pod deck and

Bryan Entzminger: 00:55:14

it's, and I'm going to alter it just a tiny bit to make it podcast relevant.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:55:18

What's something about podcasting that people are obsessed with, but you

Bryan Entzminger: 00:55:23

don't, you just don't get the point of, so what's something about podcasting

Bryan Entzminger: 00:55:27

that people are obsessed with, that you just don't get the point of.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:55:31

And it's a hard one for me, because I can, like, there are things,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:55:35

people are obsessed with that.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:55:36

I kind of get the point of, even though I don't think they're valuable.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:55:39

So like ratings and reviews, they're actually not that

Bryan Entzminger: 00:55:42

important, but I kind of liked them.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:55:44

So I kind of get it.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:55:47

Um, I dunno what, uh, I'll ask you guys.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:55:49

What, what are things about podcasting that people are

Bryan Entzminger: 00:55:50

obsessed that you just don't know?

Daniel Abendroth: 00:55:54

The obsession with how long an episode needs to be.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:55:58

Ooh.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:55:59

Yeah, because people like are really concerned to make sure they have like

Daniel Abendroth: 00:56:03

the right length and the answer is like, it depends on so many different things.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:56:10

Like, and there is no right answer.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:56:13

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:56:14

Kareem set the base and I would, I would kind

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:56:17

of agree with that because I feel like everybody wants to be more

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:56:21

warm and Boomi, but you know what?

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:56:23

That's not how it

Bryan Entzminger: 00:56:25

sounds.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:56:25

No, I actually, I want to be less warm and boomy, especially when I've

Bryan Entzminger: 00:56:29

got nasal things going on like today.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:56:31

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:56:32

And like, if I'm competing against, you know, the wind through my car window too,

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:56:38

that's going to make you harder to hear.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:56:40

I would say money and sponsorships and advertising and, um, you know, all those

Daniel Abendroth: 00:56:48

things.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:56:49

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:56:50

If you're on episode five, you probably don't need to worry about monetizing

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:56:54

yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:56:55

Or download numbers.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:56:56

Right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:56:57

I think that kind of goes hand in hand.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:56:59

Um, but yeah, 99% of people don't make money podcasting.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:57:04

Right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:57:04

So, and they just never will.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:57:06

And if you're, if you're going to start worrying about

Bryan Entzminger: 00:57:08

sponsorships by episode five, you really need to start worrying about

Bryan Entzminger: 00:57:12

that before episode one, because you need to design your show for that.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:57:15

Um, that that's my view on that.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:57:18

I will, I will take the obsession with.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:57:23

If I change podcast hosts, will my downloads increase?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:57:27

That's a weird

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:57:28

question

Bryan Entzminger: 00:57:29

because I've seen people

Daniel Abendroth: 00:57:30

like, well, well, that's not entirely true.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:57:34

If you switch to SoundCloud, chances are your downloads are

Daniel Abendroth: 00:57:38

going to drastically increase.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:57:39

Well, not real down stats numbers.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:57:44

All right.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:57:45

Cool.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:57:45

Well, that's, that's a, that's a fun one.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:57:47

Yeah, we'll go ahead and draw it to a close for those

Bryan Entzminger: 00:57:50

of you that joined us live.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:57:51

Thank you for your comments and for being here.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:57:54

Daniel, do you want to tell everybody how to be a guest

Daniel Abendroth: 00:57:57

do is go to podcast editors, mastermind.com/b guests, fill

Daniel Abendroth: 00:58:02

out the form and then we'll be in touch.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:58:04

We do have a number in the queue right now.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:58:07

So I will, if you have submitted, um, just be patient, we are getting to them.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:58:12

And now that I've realized to look at my spam folder, so we do, and we actually

Daniel Abendroth: 00:58:16

had some really cool plans coming up with the guests that we have in queue now.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:58:21

So be sure to subscribe and follow the page and do all the things

Daniel Abendroth: 00:58:26

because here's going to be really fun when it comes to the show.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:58:28

Really excited about it.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:58:29

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:58:29

We got

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:58:30

a lot of cool things planned,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:58:32

actually share a little bit more about sort of

Bryan Entzminger: 00:58:34

high level what we were thinking.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:58:35

Cause we, we were strategizing last week.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

: 00:58:38

Oh, do I want to share?

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

: 00:58:40

No, I want them to guess,

Daniel Abendroth: 00:58:44

guess

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:58:45

yeah, no, we are going to focus on things

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:58:48

that y'all keep asking about.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:58:49

And one of the things is how do I get clients?

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:58:53

Like where do I get clients?

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:58:55

So we're going to do like a series of, of these topics that are going to help

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:58:59

you get clients, make money, whatever.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:59:01

I don't, I'm not saying this real well, all of a sudden, I

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:59:04

know Daniel wrote the plans down.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:59:06

Maybe he should

Daniel Abendroth: 00:59:09

write them down.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:59:10

Oh, okay.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:59:12

So, but we are going to help you get clients.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:59:15

We're going to help you with the marketing piece.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:59:16

We're going to have a seasoned editor on.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:59:22

And a new editor on to kind of workshop them through these things too, so

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:59:27

that I'm really looking forward

Bryan Entzminger: 00:59:29

to.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:59:29

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:59:30

I've got a couple of ideas that I thought about today that I'll share with the two

Bryan Entzminger: 00:59:33

of you the next time we get together.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:59:35

Cause I think they might be some really cool ways that we can take this show

Bryan Entzminger: 00:59:38

and, and make it even more valuable and to serve people more deeply.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:59:41

So more to come on that.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:59:43

Cause I haven't talked to the other Yeti, so I'm not going to say anything

Bryan Entzminger: 00:59:45

publicly, cause I'm not that dumb.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:59:47

So Brian is vague podcasting right now.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 00:59:51

We apologize for

Bryan Entzminger: 00:59:52

it.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:59:52

I heard from Eric K.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:59:54

Johnson that you're supposed to tease the next topic.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:59:56

And while this isn't the next topic, I think we've got some good stuff anyway.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:59:59

Well we'll let that one go discussion about how to balance your life

Bryan Entzminger: 01:00:04

with your podcast production.

Bryan Entzminger: 01:00:05

If you haven't noticed, we've definitely got it all figured out

Bryan Entzminger: 01:00:08

or else we're still figuring it out.

Bryan Entzminger: 01:00:10

And I am Brian Ensminger.

Bryan Entzminger: 01:00:12

You can find me@toptieraudio.com beside me is.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 01:00:17

Um, Carrie Caulfield, Eric, you can find

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 01:00:19

me@yayapodcasting.com or on Instagram at

Daniel Abendroth: 01:00:23

Carrie air I'm Daniel Abendroth.

Daniel Abendroth: 01:00:25

And you can find me@rothmedia.audio.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 01:00:29

And if you're oh, wait, I'm gonna say one more thing.

Carrie Caulfield Arick: 01:00:31

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Bryan Entzminger: 01:00:53

So thanks everybody for being here.

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We appreciate you in the comments and also look forward to hearing

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from you more in the group.