Transitioning To a Full Time Podcast Editor, with Stevie Manns

Daniel Abendroth: 00:00:05

How much is that,

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um, um,

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welcome to the podcast.

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Editors mastermind, a podcast dedicated to the business side of podcast editing.

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Uh, today we have a really fun show is going over kind of the dream, right?

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So it's going full time as a podcast editor, and we have an amazing guest,

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uh, before getting into that, um, Daniel Abendroth, you can find me at

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Roth media audio and below me, we have,

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we have Brian Ensminger who's at top tier audio.com

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and apparently so happy to talk.

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I'm interrupting as Daniel's introducing me.

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So I don't know what's up with that.

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It feels like I'm just ready to go today.

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Daniel, I don't, I'm going to shut up now.

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It's your turn.

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Do you know?

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I'm sure I've spoken with you.

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The site in some sort of Facebook editor's group, I'm sure I have.

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Now I'm seeing your last thing.

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I'm like, oh, we connected.

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And like, you know, when you see someone's picture and then you

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see them a little tiny meeting.

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Oh, sorry.

Stevie Manns: 00:01:12

Hello.

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I'm CD mans brand new podcast edited to the, to the whole industry.

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So thank you very much for having me on

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Stevie started off in radio as a presenter more than a decade

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ago, hosting a weekend breakfast show.

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They're also a musician and has spent years in the studio learning under

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some of the industry's top producers as a podcast producer and coach DV

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works with entrepreneurs and small businesses, helping them create

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content that inspires and empowers.

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Stevie says nothing makes me happier than helping someone achieve their goals and

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help bring their message to the masses.

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Stevie, thank you so much for joining us tonight.

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I'm pleasure.

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And thank you for reading my bio.

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It sounds great.

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Oh,

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I'm sorry for screwing it up just easy.

Stevie Manns: 00:01:53

I love it.

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I love it.

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Do you know, it's just like, as a musician, like you write your bio

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for other people and I'm sure it translates into other industries.

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It's always really funny hearing it back, but it's that we sounded fun.

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Thanks.

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So tell us a little bit about like where you come

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from and how you got to the point.

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So I guess the big news is that you are now a full-time podcast editor.

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Okay.

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So as of more or less tomorrow, yes.

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So, um, I had have slash had a day job.

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So I have worked in the corporate field for 14 years.

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In fact, um, in the finance industry loved it, absolutely loved it.

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Um, one of those things, it was just that thing of, I graduated in 2007, got

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a job in banking and in 2007, the credit crisis happened and I kind of got stuck.

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And at that point I hadn't really figured out what I wanted to do.

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And it was just a case of, well, the economies.

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Can I swear on this?

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Uh, probably

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not, probably not the economy is not doing well.

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Um, and so I was like, okay, I should probably, you know, I'm good at math.

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I can do it.

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Let's just stick with it.

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And just never really lit my fire.

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And it was funny because last year, obviously during the pandemic,

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how many people can I get an amen had a come to Jesus moment.

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And I had one of those moments I was reading and forgive me, you, you

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gentlemen may not have read this book.

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I'm not going to say that you haven't, and I'm not making a make any assumptions.

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But I was reading Glenn and Doyle's book on tamed and in the book, she had

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a moment where she was speaking with a friend and she asked her friend,

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what is the most honest truest version that you can imagine of your life?

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And I just put the book down and I was like, well, it's not this.

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And at that point gave myself permission to go.

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If I had a blank piece of paper and I wanted to write, you

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know, to design my life and my career, what would it look like?

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And that was the first time I'd really given myself permission to do that.

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And at that point, um, I, you know, had, you know, a couple of my own

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podcasts, I was helping some friends with theirs and I thought this is

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something that I'm really interested in.

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I've been doing my own for a couple of years.

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I've been in audio.

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Um, my, my dad's actually in radio he's, he's, he's been radio for like

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40 years or something like that.

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So I, I'd always sort of grown up with it in the background.

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And, and for me, podcasting is the new radio and I thought, yeah, I love this.

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Why am I not doing this?

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What am I so scared of?

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How, you know, if I were to design a career in it, what would it look

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like and how would I get there?

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And that's when I really started thinking about.

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What do I need to do in order to make this happen?

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And tomorrow, you know, it isn't exactly the way I would have wanted to make

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it happen in the sense of, you know, I'm, I'm able to quit my corporate job.

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I'm kind of getting a payout from this job, um, which is great, but I'm

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now being, you know, it's a slightly different situation where, you know,

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hopefully a number of people will be able to kind of build up a portfolio of

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clients where they're able to support themselves and get, get to that position.

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I'm in a slightly different situation.

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I'm very fortunate to be able to sort of quit my day job and have a bit

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of a buffer and be able to do that.

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But that's kind of how it's happened for me.

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And I'm really grateful and I'm really happy that, you know, postmark, I

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say post pandemic, we are not post pandemic, but post the worst of the

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pandemic, I'm now able to look at a different life and career for myself.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:05:21

So roughly a year, since you read the book year a year and a half,

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I believe it was may last year.

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Yeah.

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And I think in June I secured my first.

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That's crazy.

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So, I mean from essentially zero to like ready to make the transition

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right now and right about a year.

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That's incredible.

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What did you like, how did you start laying that groundwork and building that

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framework to, to build your path to this?

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I

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think the first place I started, I mean, you could say that I,

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in terms of getting my first client, that was the first step, but it isn't,

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I think the first step is having the interest, developing your skillset.

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And I was doing.

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Oh, I had been doing that with my own podcasts.

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Um, and I have, you know, my primary podcast is, um, is a music interview show.

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I'm a musician and that's sort of what I started doing.

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And when I was working in radio, one of the ideas that I had, you know, as

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a musician and a radio presenter was, I want to interview local musicians.

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I want to do a quick 10 minute segment, ask them about a song of theirs and

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put a deck on, on the radio and promote local, local music and local musicians.

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I was actually living in, um, on, on a small island called

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Josie, Josie OJI, as I call it.

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Cause it's the original in the channel islands in the

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UK, or sorry in great Britain.

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It's not actually part of the UK.

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And, um, I really wanted to promote the local music scene because it's

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just a really small, you know, it's a small island and it had to have

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that sort of small town feel to it.

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And what I did was I had to sell this idea the only way that I was able to get.

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On the radio was to sell this as a segment and give it to the sales

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team and have someone sponsor it.

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So that was sort of my first idea of this is sort of, it was sort

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of a mini show and I had to, you know, sell it to the radio station.

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I had to sell it to the sales guys and the sales guys had to get a sponsor for it and

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come, you know, Ooh, gosh, nearly 10 years later, I thought I don't need a radio

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station for me to be able to do this.

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So I thought I can just create my own podcast and do the show like

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the segment as an entire show.

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And so that's how my podcast developed.

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And I was a musician in New York city.

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And for me it was, it was a couple fold really because I

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was a new musician on the music.

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And it's really difficult.

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New York works very differently to almost any other city or certainly

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the way, the way that it had for me in the UK, where you tend to get in touch

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with a venue, a touring artist comes round and you say, you know, that that

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artist is sort of within my genre.

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Can I get on the bill for that in New York?

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Because it's the big city.

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If a major artist comes to New York, they tend to bring somebody who is on

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their label, but lower down in the PA you know, the pecking order with them.

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So your chances to get in front of an audience are actually much slimmer.

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And you've got to, if you get a show at a venue, you've actually

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got to bring an audience already.

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And so it was kind of chicken and egg, because if you can't get in front of an

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audience, how do you bring an audience?

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And so what I started doing was I created, um, an artist circle where I had like

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a Nashville style round, where you had like three artists on stage together,

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and you would kind of cross pollinate audiences and hopefully you would, you

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know, be able to, to build off that.

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As, uh, we would do this maybe every other month.

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And so between shows, I said, well, in order to help us create this event

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series that we're doing, let's create a podcast where we interview the musicians

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that are going to be in the show.

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And that way, if people don't know who the artists are, they get to listen

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to them ahead of like, you know, putting out 15 bucks to come to a show.

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And then we build up the mailing list and so on.

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So it started off.

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You know, a podcast in addition to a music event series.

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And then with the pandemic, obviously the podcast took over because there

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was no event series that we could do.

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Um, and then it became really interesting for me of like, okay, how can I support

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my community versus, you know, it being something to support our series.

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So it had, you know, some sort of, uh, you know, an interesting, um,

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birth, if birthplace, if you like.

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And then I started doing another podcast with a friend that was

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sort of an aftershave podcast.

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It's entirely just a, uh, you know, pleasure podcast for me, which, you

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know, has got a niche market, star Trek.

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Um, but it's, it's just pure fun.

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And I think, you know, I was starting to do this and I thought, oh, you know,

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if I want to, if I want to go into this, how else can I, can I do this?

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And I started to help friends who had podcasts and I would help them edit.

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And then when I was thinking of.

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Getting a client.

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Um, there was somebody that I reached out to and she was an environmental

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activist and she's from the UK.

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And I remember that she had done, um, an event coming to the U S and

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she'd like paddle boarding down the Hudson and was raising awareness

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about plastic pollution years ago.

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And I reached out to her and I was like, do you have a podcast?

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And it was genuinely, wasn't a pitch, but I was like, I would listen

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to that podcast if you had one.

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And she goes, well, it's funny you say that.

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And she said, I am launching one with this company, but they aren't

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going to manage it, post the launch.

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And so I just happened to reach out to her at the right time.

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And we started working together after.

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And then thereafter, I think there was, there was somebody else that I

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was working with on another project.

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And they were like, oh, I need somebody to do a podcast.

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Would, you know, are you interested in that?

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And we could trade.

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And that's how I sort of got my second client.

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So that's kind of how it started.

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And, you know, it's, it's probably not from the inception of last year, June.

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It was probably two years prior to that where I really took an interest in, you

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know, I ha I had the, the joy and the desire to be a podcaster, first of all.

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And I think you have to have that before you even begin and you don't necessarily

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have to have that you're editing.

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But for me, if I'm going to listen to something I need to know what's good

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and how it sounds and what's engaging.

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And for me, that was by doing it.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:11:20

Yeah, I would, I would definitely agree.

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Um, I definitely fell in love with podcasting before

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I fell in love with editing.

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And I think that some of that experience.

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Um, trying to like me trying to figure out how can I make my show not suck, right?

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Like how can I make this not drag on for it?

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Like all of that stuff then becomes those things that I can bring to a client who

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is saying, Hey, feels like my is dragging.

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What can I do?

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And I said, well, have you thought about this?

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Right.

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And so it's really cool that you cut your teeth on that.

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And Ashley says that, uh, she loves this.

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I would agree at the, the story of the first client is like the thing that a

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lot of people at a lot of people ask me, how do I find my first client?

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How like all of that, I don't have a portfolio.

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How do I edit for somebody so I can get like all of that.

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I love how you shared that from your, your venue experience, but

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then also getting the first client.

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And then that second client did after that, did you have to start

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going out and getting clients.

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What did that look like?

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Is it

Stevie Manns: 00:12:18

I'm still in that period?

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I'm still in that kind of looking.

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And to be honest, it's, it's difficult because I have, my

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corporate job is 60 hours a week.

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And then I edit my own pod, my own two podcasts, plus two

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client podcasts on top of that.

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So I really don't at the moment, have time to take on this third,

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like a third, fourth, whatever.

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So I kind of, I just need to get rid of this corporate job

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to enable me to kind of do that.

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And yeah, that quite honestly, I need, I need help and lessons in

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how to, to search for clients.

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And I'm like, do I really want to DM people?

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Or do I want to, you know, how do I want to do that?

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Do I want to kind of reach out to editors who have, you know, too much

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stuff and they need to outsource, you know, do I want to be doing that?

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Like, I'm still figuring out all of, all of the rest of it.

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So I, I do not, I will fully admit this.

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I don't have it all fully baked yet and I'm still figuring out, Hey, do I, do I

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want to create my own editing business?

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Do I want to work for a production?

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I'm still exploring all of this stuff.

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And I'm like, I'm lucky enough that I have the space and, and financial stability

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to be able to do that for a few months.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:13:23

Yeah.

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One thing that I do want to make note of, like, I feel like for me, so I did

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have like the client base to support me financially before I went full time.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:13:35

Um, but I think it is good to know that that doesn't

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necessarily have to be the case.

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So you are fortunate in your job.

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Do we, I remember if we talked about this before we started recording or not

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the background, your do your job in, um,

Stevie Manns: 00:13:53

hi, I'm able to leave my job.

Stevie Manns: 00:13:54

Um, I'm not entirely sure that I can talk about that.

Stevie Manns: 00:13:58

Yeah.

Stevie Manns: 00:13:58

Well, I guess my

Daniel Abendroth: 00:13:58

point is like, um, your job situation allows you to go

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full-time as podcast editor, before you have the clients to, um, like a full.

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Capacity business.

Stevie Manns: 00:14:11

I guess I took the option of being made redundant.

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I can say that, uh, and that, that sort of redundancy packages allowing

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me to have a bit of financial security.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:14:20

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:14:21

So you don't have to have like, um, a whole bunch of clients before, so you

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can be more creative in how you like make the transition from full-time to,

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or I guess from part-time to full-time.

Stevie Manns: 00:14:34

Yeah.

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Um, I also, you know, I'm also married, my me and my wife were able to kind of

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manage this and like she's, she's helping me to, to have this sort of freedom for

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a little while to be able to do this.

Stevie Manns: 00:14:45

Um, so I, I fully appreciate that this is not the easiest thing for most people.

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And I have been in that situation where I was like, I was living in New York city.

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I couldn't, you know, new York's New York, city's expensive.

Stevie Manns: 00:14:56

Um, I could, I couldn't do that.

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And I was also on a, you know, I was also on a visa and if I didn't have

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my visa from my corporate job, then I couldn't stay in this country.

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So for me, it was definitely just one, one thing was dependent on, on other,

Stevie Manns: 00:15:08

and it wouldn't have been possible for me in almost any other way.

Stevie Manns: 00:15:12

So I, I do fully appreciate I'm, uh, I'm in a really privileged

Stevie Manns: 00:15:16

position to be able to do

Daniel Abendroth: 00:15:17

this.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:15:19

Yeah, I know for me, because like one thing that's difficult is there's

Daniel Abendroth: 00:15:23

only so much editing work you can take on when you have a full-time job.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:15:27

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:15:31

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:15:32

Cause you work, you know, like in your case, 60 hours a week, and then trying

Daniel Abendroth: 00:15:36

to fit in those few hours, you have in the evenings on the weekends, um,

Daniel Abendroth: 00:15:40

to build a job that makes enough to.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:15:44

Cover your expenses.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:15:45

It's really difficult.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:15:46

And I was fortunate that I had one very, very profitable client that was

Daniel Abendroth: 00:15:51

able to, um, kind of get me over that hump so I could quit my job and then

Daniel Abendroth: 00:15:57

work on building up my portfolio by where you're about to say something.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:16:03

I'm sorry,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:16:04

go ahead, Stevie.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:16:05

I think you're going to say no,

Stevie Manns: 00:16:07

no, I was just going to ask, you know, and how,

Stevie Manns: 00:16:09

what was the time period for you?

Daniel Abendroth: 00:16:12

For me?

Daniel Abendroth: 00:16:13

Yeah,

Stevie Manns: 00:16:13

just from kind of, you know, starting out and

Stevie Manns: 00:16:16

then, because I'm full time.

Stevie Manns: 00:16:18

So

Daniel Abendroth: 00:16:19

I started my own podcast in 2015 and then a

Daniel Abendroth: 00:16:22

couple months after that I started selling my services on fiber.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:16:26

Um, and we did actually, um, so if you're interested in all of our, uh,

Daniel Abendroth: 00:16:34

origin stories, like how we got our first clients, we did do an episode on that.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:16:38

And go ahead and check the show notes.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:16:40

Once this episode is released on the podcast for a link to that episode, I

Daniel Abendroth: 00:16:43

can't remember exactly which one it was.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:16:46

Um, so a few months after I kind of essentially my

Daniel Abendroth: 00:16:50

podcasts kind of floundered.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:16:51

Um, and so I was selling my services on Fiverr or towards the end of 2015.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:16:58

And then it was at the end of 2017 when I made that jump to full time

Daniel Abendroth: 00:17:03

and quit my job in podcast editing.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:17:05

Full-time

Stevie Manns: 00:17:08

okay.

Stevie Manns: 00:17:08

So that's really, I mean, two to

Daniel Abendroth: 00:17:10

two or so years.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:17:11

Yeah, probably about a little over, almost two and a half years.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:17:14

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:17:15

Um, I'm way slower than Daniel.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:17:16

I think I'm three and a half or four years into this and

Bryan Entzminger: 00:17:18

still working my full-time job.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:17:21

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:17:21

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:17:22

I got really lucky that I had a client that was paying like $25 for per minute.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:17:32

Yeah, sorry.

Stevie Manns: 00:17:33

My eyebrows don't translate to audio, but they went up,

Daniel Abendroth: 00:17:38

um, there were like seven to eight minute almost kind of like

Daniel Abendroth: 00:17:42

news clips, like for like a news reel.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:17:46

Um, but I had to like find and hire, I didn't have to pay, but I had to like

Daniel Abendroth: 00:17:50

find voice actors to read these, go back and forth to all the revisions.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:17:54

So it was more as much more of a process, but it was definitely,

Daniel Abendroth: 00:17:58

um, yeah, extremely profitable.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:18:02

And like the amount of work I got from them was able to like

Daniel Abendroth: 00:18:04

really, um, give me enough work and finances to make that transition.

Stevie Manns: 00:18:12

So you, for you, it was mostly sort of our fiber and then you

Stevie Manns: 00:18:16

started to find clients outside of fiber.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:18:19

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:18:19

So for me it was, yeah, I started on a fiver and then I just had

Daniel Abendroth: 00:18:24

one client who was a life coach.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:18:27

We started working together.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:18:29

Cause it's

Stevie Manns: 00:18:29

such an inter like it's such an, it's just a whole thing in podcasting.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:18:35

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:18:35

Live coaching and podcasts.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:18:36

Like it's a really strong like mayors for podcasting is such

Daniel Abendroth: 00:18:41

a great tool for life coaching.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:18:43

Um, but it was just kind of word of mouth.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:18:45

Like pretty much I've never done any kind of marketing.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:18:48

It's just, I had that one client who referred another client who

Daniel Abendroth: 00:18:51

referred another one who referred to, and it's just kind of like most

Daniel Abendroth: 00:18:54

of our clients are word of mouth.

Stevie Manns: 00:18:57

Gotcha.

Stevie Manns: 00:18:59

And Brian, what about you?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:19:01

Uh, in terms of the transition, I started

Bryan Entzminger: 00:19:04

with my first client for free.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:19:06

Uh, he had been a guest on my show and was looking to do something and he put a

Bryan Entzminger: 00:19:10

segment together for my show for a while.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:19:12

Then we spun that off into its own show.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:19:14

And then, uh, I dunno, probably a year into that, or so I was actively going out

Bryan Entzminger: 00:19:21

and looking for clients at that point.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:19:22

And somebody who runs a production company contacted me and said,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:19:25

Hey, would you do the editing out?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:19:28

You know, would you white label for me?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:19:30

I'll bring in the shows you do the editing.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:19:31

And so I still have 44 shows through her that I am responsible for.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:19:37

And then I've kind of picked up a couple here and there currently

Bryan Entzminger: 00:19:40

have nine shows that I'm working on, uh, varying production schedules.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:19:46

And I'm now in the place where I've started bringing in some editors because.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:19:50

I'm at capacity.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:19:52

And when I say at capacity, probably at like 115%.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:19:55

And so having brought in other people has definitely helped, although there

Bryan Entzminger: 00:19:59

is the onboarding process, right.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:20:01

And that's, that's something that I started late last year.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:20:04

So I've got now three people that are helping me one show each.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:20:08

Um, but it's, it's a, it's a process.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:20:10

Cause I don't want to bring everybody on at once.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:20:11

And so that's been a bit of a challenge and it's also, it's a different way

Bryan Entzminger: 00:20:15

about thinking about the money, right.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:20:16

Because before I could think about it and go, what's this worth to me now I have

Bryan Entzminger: 00:20:20

to think about it in terms of what's my management overhead, plus what I need

Bryan Entzminger: 00:20:23

to pay them to make this make sense.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:20:26

And so that's been a, a bit of a, a brain thing for me.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:20:29

Um, I I'm wondering as you've, as you're thinking about this,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:20:32

how do you approach pricing?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:20:35

Right.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:20:35

So you're making the move.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:20:36

How do you like, do you have any thoughts around how you put that together?

Stevie Manns: 00:20:42

Ah, I feel the pricing that I have done for the two clients

Stevie Manns: 00:20:46

that I've taken on initially was.

Stevie Manns: 00:20:50

What exactly are you looking to do?

Stevie Manns: 00:20:52

Because I feel, you know, obviously everyone's podcast needs

Stevie Manns: 00:20:54

are different, so it was okay.

Stevie Manns: 00:20:56

Well, how much of my time do you need really?

Stevie Manns: 00:20:59

And what extras do you want if you just want a basic editing and it's

Stevie Manns: 00:21:03

30 minutes, it's this, if you want more than basic editing and you want,

Stevie Manns: 00:21:07

um, you know, you want some creative production and you want, you know, mid

Stevie Manns: 00:21:14

season analytics, if you're doing a season and both of my clients actually

Stevie Manns: 00:21:18

do do seasons versus we, you know, weekly, um, then it's going to be this.

Stevie Manns: 00:21:23

And, you know, so, and I think part of my, part of my skillset

Stevie Manns: 00:21:28

from some of the corporate stuff has been a lot of data analytics.

Stevie Manns: 00:21:32

Excuse me.

Stevie Manns: 00:21:33

I love XL.

Stevie Manns: 00:21:34

I was going to swear, but I really do love it.

Stevie Manns: 00:21:37

Um, and I really, you know, I think there's a lot of power in, in data

Stevie Manns: 00:21:41

and, and, and, you know, analytics and creating, you know, different

Stevie Manns: 00:21:45

spreadsheets and charts and things.

Stevie Manns: 00:21:47

I get really excited by pivot tables, um,

Daniel Abendroth: 00:21:51

nerd

Stevie Manns: 00:21:51

alert, right.

Stevie Manns: 00:21:51

Hard alert.

Stevie Manns: 00:21:52

Right?

Stevie Manns: 00:21:52

Yeah.

Stevie Manns: 00:21:53

Um, so, you know, for me, that's kind of like an extra that I can add on if

Stevie Manns: 00:21:56

somebody wants that and you're able to pull down that data and stuff,

Stevie Manns: 00:22:00

which I quite enjoy because I'm like, I have certainly seen a difference

Stevie Manns: 00:22:04

in when I have given that to a client than worse than versus when I haven't.

Stevie Manns: 00:22:08

Um, so I certainly say, okay, what exactly do you need?

Stevie Manns: 00:22:12

And then I figure out like water, what is my time to it?

Stevie Manns: 00:22:15

Because I think for me, my, you know, working 60 hours a week,

Stevie Manns: 00:22:19

I don't have a lot of time.

Stevie Manns: 00:22:20

So I'm like, okay, how much time will this take me?

Stevie Manns: 00:22:22

And then I sort of price it off that.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:22:26

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:22:26

One thing I found like a good strategy is trying to.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:22:31

This is going to sound weird, but get the most out of each client.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:22:35

So rather than trying to get like 20 clients that are paying you to like,

Daniel Abendroth: 00:22:40

just edit their episodes, getting 10 clients, that's paying you more

Daniel Abendroth: 00:22:45

to edit, manage, do like analytics stuff like, oh, so doing more work

Daniel Abendroth: 00:22:50

because it's easier and a lot less like brain power to manage fewer clients.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:22:57

But at a higher rate,

Stevie Manns: 00:22:59

I get so much more satisfaction doing all of like more of

Stevie Manns: 00:23:04

it doing the creative process with them.

Stevie Manns: 00:23:07

And then, you know, having discussions about who do they

Stevie Manns: 00:23:09

want to have on their show.

Stevie Manns: 00:23:10

And like one of the reasons I like the clients that I have, I've kind

Stevie Manns: 00:23:13

of chosen them to an extent where I'm interested in the subject matter.

Stevie Manns: 00:23:17

And I have, you know, some, some knowledge on.

Stevie Manns: 00:23:21

What their subject is and who would be a good fit and have

Stevie Manns: 00:23:24

their thought about this.

Stevie Manns: 00:23:25

And, and I love the, I think that's, that's certainly a direction I would like

Stevie Manns: 00:23:29

to explore in terms of my own career.

Stevie Manns: 00:23:31

Is that creative process.

Stevie Manns: 00:23:33

And, and the more like of the producer side, as well as the

Stevie Manns: 00:23:35

editing, I'm happy to do both for now.

Stevie Manns: 00:23:40

Not necessarily if I have to, because I think there's a lot to be learned by doing

Stevie Manns: 00:23:44

everything at once, but I definitely want to go in a, sort of a creative direction

Stevie Manns: 00:23:50

and that sort of producer role also.

Stevie Manns: 00:23:54

And yes, it will also earn me more

Daniel Abendroth: 00:23:55

money.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:23:57

It does.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:23:57

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:23:58

Uh, so I, I recently added management services to one of

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:02

my clients who has two shows.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:03

And I will say that it's nice to be able to know that I'm serving him more deeply.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:10

Um, It's been a while because both of my previous shows are on

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:14

hiatus because I'm at capacity.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:16

Right.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:16

And so it's been a while since I've written show notes and

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:19

created graphics and scheduled all the social media and everything.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:22

So like the first week of doing that for him was like, oh yeah,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:26

I remember how much work this is.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:27

I probably under-priced

Daniel Abendroth: 00:24:29

myself.

Stevie Manns: 00:24:30

It's a lot of work.

Stevie Manns: 00:24:31

I do all of that.

Stevie Manns: 00:24:32

I do the audio grams, you know, do the show notes, all of that stuff.

Stevie Manns: 00:24:35

And like, and now one of the things that I'm, I want to learn

Stevie Manns: 00:24:38

as part of my thing is, is video.

Stevie Manns: 00:24:40

And it's like final cut pro or it's like Adobe, premier.

Stevie Manns: 00:24:42

And I'm like, so that I can create, you know, really engaging video is

Stevie Manns: 00:24:47

part of their, their podcast content.

Stevie Manns: 00:24:49

And that's, you know, another skill to my bow and that's more than I can, you

Stevie Manns: 00:24:52

know, that I could be, I could charge

Daniel Abendroth: 00:24:53

for

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:55

definitely.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:24:57

Um, Ashley had a comment that you're moving more toward a producer than

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:01

an editor, which is where, uh, her interests lie, tend to lean as well.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:06

I'm wondering, you know, you.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:08

You had the show, so obviously you've got experience, but did you also have

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:12

any training or anything that helped you to kind of step into that role

Stevie Manns: 00:25:16

with my client, with my, uh,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:18

uh, w with your clients?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:19

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:25:19

To help them through the process?

Stevie Manns: 00:25:22

I think probably just from my own experience as a creative,

Stevie Manns: 00:25:28

um, being a musician in terms of, you know, like I've, I've done

Stevie Manns: 00:25:33

two fully studio produced albums.

Stevie Manns: 00:25:35

So I've been in a situation where I have to kind of direct, I have to project

Stevie Manns: 00:25:40

manage and I have to, I've been, you know, obviously, and I think I've

Stevie Manns: 00:25:43

had to come to that realization of, I am the person whose project this is,

Stevie Manns: 00:25:47

and I know that I am not the drummer.

Stevie Manns: 00:25:51

I know that I'm not the bass player, you know, I might look like, and

Stevie Manns: 00:25:55

I have to kind of go, I know what I like versus I know everything.

Stevie Manns: 00:26:00

And you have to somewhat go to these people.

Stevie Manns: 00:26:03

You know, the people that you're working with, you.

Stevie Manns: 00:26:06

I trust that you can do this, but I will know what I want as an overall project.

Stevie Manns: 00:26:12

And so I think in terms of the creative process, you, you know, when I write a

Stevie Manns: 00:26:17

song, I know you start off with, Hey, this, I'm not sure if you're familiar

Stevie Manns: 00:26:21

with the, the sort of trajectory.

Stevie Manns: 00:26:23

Some people put it out there, but it's, it's like you start a song and you're

Stevie Manns: 00:26:27

like, oh, I'm nervous about this.

Stevie Manns: 00:26:28

And then it's like, oh, I think this might be okay.

Stevie Manns: 00:26:30

And then you're like, oh yeah, I'm really into this.

Stevie Manns: 00:26:32

And you're like, oh, I think this might be a bit shit.

Stevie Manns: 00:26:35

And then you're like, oh, I'm I'm shit.

Stevie Manns: 00:26:37

And then you're like, oh actually this is okay in the end.

Stevie Manns: 00:26:40

And so you sort of go through this whole process of, of sort

Stevie Manns: 00:26:42

of loving it self-loathing and coming out on the other side.

Stevie Manns: 00:26:46

And it's, it's really similar for everyone.

Stevie Manns: 00:26:47

And, um, if you are an artist, I'm sure you will have heard of

Stevie Manns: 00:26:50

Julia Cameron's the artist's way.

Stevie Manns: 00:26:52

And she talks through that, that whole thing.

Stevie Manns: 00:26:55

So for me, it was, it's mostly sort of a lot of trust and, um, reliance on.

Stevie Manns: 00:27:00

The creative process and knowing what that is for me as an artist and being

Stevie Manns: 00:27:03

able to translate that to a podcast and go, you know, I like also, it's, it's,

Stevie Manns: 00:27:09

it's knowing what you like when you listen to podcasts and, and going, okay.

Stevie Manns: 00:27:14

I, you know, I know what the quality is that I'm looking for and in terms

Stevie Manns: 00:27:18

of what I want to create and the, the vibe of it, I think you need

Stevie Manns: 00:27:21

to really stay true to, to that.

Stevie Manns: 00:27:23

Um, and, and just really trusting yourself with it.

Stevie Manns: 00:27:29

I think I rambled there was, that was, that did that answer.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:27:32

I want to let Daniel talk cause I keep jumping right in,

Daniel Abendroth: 00:27:34

so I don't know.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:27:35

You're totally fine.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:27:36

Tuned to change subject to any anyway.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:27:37

Um, so have you thought about.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:27:41

What it'll be like to not have structure or like, have

Daniel Abendroth: 00:27:45

to create your own structure.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:27:46

I am

Daniel Abendroth: 00:27:47

terrified.

Stevie Manns: 00:27:48

I am terrified, so terrified in fact, this week, but I was like,

Stevie Manns: 00:27:52

oh my God, how am I going to do this?

Stevie Manns: 00:27:53

And I downloaded Microsoft office because outlook is the thing that I've

Stevie Manns: 00:27:57

been using to kind of structure my day.

Stevie Manns: 00:27:59

So that was the thing that I have, you know, that's really the tool that I'm

Stevie Manns: 00:28:04

like, I think this is going to be the tool that's going to help me do this.

Stevie Manns: 00:28:06

And whether it, you know, I use this tool for, you know, I have a little

Stevie Manns: 00:28:10

bit of time off and like, what do I want to do for my own self development?

Stevie Manns: 00:28:13

And how am I going to schedule my time?

Stevie Manns: 00:28:16

That's as far as I've gotten with, this is the tool that I'm going to use.

Stevie Manns: 00:28:21

And then what are the things that I want to achieve within this time?

Stevie Manns: 00:28:25

Um, in terms of up-skilling and, you know, project management and stuff.

Stevie Manns: 00:28:29

But I, I think it's, I I'm terrified.

Stevie Manns: 00:28:35

I think I have, you know, I've been working in a corporate job for the

Stevie Manns: 00:28:39

last 14 years, so I think I'm like, okay, let's get up and let's start work

Stevie Manns: 00:28:43

at eight o'clock let's have a coffee and then let's go until like six.

Stevie Manns: 00:28:46

So it may be that I'm not entirely sure.

Stevie Manns: 00:28:49

We'll, we'll have to see how it goes.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:28:52

Uh, I will tell you that the thing that scares me about

Bryan Entzminger: 00:28:55

the thought of going full time is that after several years of doing full-time

Bryan Entzminger: 00:28:59

plus editing eight, nine shows on a regular basis that I'll crash, right.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:29:06

That I'll come in with, nobody telling me to get up and get exact,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:29:10

get to work at exactly this time.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:29:12

And like, just totally bomb because I'm, I mean, on some level I'm worn out.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:29:17

Right.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:29:17

And so there there's a need for that, but it has to come at pace because I

Bryan Entzminger: 00:29:21

still have to generate revenue too.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:29:22

So I think you hit the nail on the head, like that does scare me.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:29:28

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:29:28

And being aware and like coming up with a plan, um, 'cause I remember, it's just

Daniel Abendroth: 00:29:34

like, I think one of the pieces of advice that you hear a lot is when you work

Daniel Abendroth: 00:29:38

from home or like work for yourself is still dressed like a go into the office.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:29:42

And I think that's just a load.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:29:44

Like I'm not going to get like a suit and tie and crab and like to sit at my

Daniel Abendroth: 00:29:49

desk, like, I'll wear my pajamas to,

Stevie Manns: 00:29:52

I take the dogs out regularly.

Stevie Manns: 00:29:54

So if I were to do that and walk outside with the dogs and then walked

Stevie Manns: 00:29:56

back in, it would look bizarre.

Stevie Manns: 00:30:00

So I, I, I think what I, what I have done, I think since the pandemic

Stevie Manns: 00:30:03

starts, that's given me this whole, like what is working from home?

Stevie Manns: 00:30:06

Like, and one thing, you know, That I made sure that I started to do was okay.

Stevie Manns: 00:30:12

Let's have some structure to my day.

Stevie Manns: 00:30:14

And that structure was, I get up, you know, I will have

Stevie Manns: 00:30:16

to get up at the same time.

Stevie Manns: 00:30:17

My wife, dear Lord gets up at four o'clock.

Stevie Manns: 00:30:20

She has to commute.

Stevie Manns: 00:30:21

So, you know, the dogs get up and I know it's horrendous, but it is what it is.

Stevie Manns: 00:30:25

And to some extent, and like, it starts my day and I have coffee

Stevie Manns: 00:30:28

and I watch the news and then I'm like, okay, so this is starting to

Stevie Manns: 00:30:30

form my day and I'll start work.

Stevie Manns: 00:30:33

I have to take the dogs out and I will make sure that I have a gym break.

Stevie Manns: 00:30:37

So I'm like, okay, let's structure these things into my day and then let's

Stevie Manns: 00:30:40

work these other things around and then let's finish at a certain time.

Stevie Manns: 00:30:43

And I think for me having those things at certain points allows me

Stevie Manns: 00:30:47

to go, okay, this is something that I need to do before this break.

Stevie Manns: 00:30:50

This is something that I need to do before this break.

Stevie Manns: 00:30:52

But, you know, as I say, beginning of the pandemic, when it started that I

Stevie Manns: 00:30:56

was like, I need to get up and shower.

Stevie Manns: 00:30:59

Like, that's something that I have to do.

Stevie Manns: 00:31:03

As, as a human being, but also, you know, like I didn't

Stevie Manns: 00:31:06

want to leave it until later.

Stevie Manns: 00:31:07

I'm like, no, this, like, it just starts off your day in a certain way.

Stevie Manns: 00:31:11

And you know, you don't necessarily need to get up and get dressed in a suit.

Stevie Manns: 00:31:15

But I think if you have some sort of like structure to your day and

Stevie Manns: 00:31:18

you started at a certain point, I think that's probably enough.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:31:22

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:31:23

So I'm sort of like morning routine.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:31:26

I mean, I will say that for the first year of working

Bryan Entzminger: 00:31:28

from home when the pandemic hit, cause I'm still working from home.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:31:31

Um, I did, I mean, this is me dressed for work.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:31:34

Right.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:31:34

And I did that five days a week now I'm more like two or three days a week.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:31:38

And then the other days are t-shirt days, but I still put my clothes on.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:31:41

Right.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:31:41

Like I, I, I have to do that part or it just doesn't feel right

Bryan Entzminger: 00:31:46

now, Saturdays are different deal.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:31:47

Like get dressed when I get dressed that Saturday.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:31:50

But on weekdays, that's how I do it.

Stevie Manns: 00:31:53

There's a real mental thing that happens when you do that.

Stevie Manns: 00:31:56

And it's, it's, it's part of self.

Stevie Manns: 00:32:00

Like it's, it's just so important for, for my own mental health and

Stevie Manns: 00:32:04

long story short, but I ended up having to go to Mexico for four months

Stevie Manns: 00:32:08

as part of this whole visa thing.

Stevie Manns: 00:32:11

And it, through my routine, I had a, I had a really comfortable routine and I would

Stevie Manns: 00:32:16

get up in the morning and I would, you know, I, I like my, I like masterclass.

Stevie Manns: 00:32:21

I watch a masterclass for 10, 15 minutes.

Stevie Manns: 00:32:23

I watched the news for 10, 15 minutes.

Stevie Manns: 00:32:25

I write in my gratitude journal.

Stevie Manns: 00:32:27

I meditate.

Stevie Manns: 00:32:28

That was what I was doing.

Stevie Manns: 00:32:29

And then I went to Mexico and I was like, oh, how am I going

Stevie Manns: 00:32:31

to get back into this routine?

Stevie Manns: 00:32:34

Because it, and it took about me.

Stevie Manns: 00:32:35

It wasn't difficult to do.

Stevie Manns: 00:32:36

It was just you're out of it and things aren't in the same place.

Stevie Manns: 00:32:40

You're thrown around a little bit.

Stevie Manns: 00:32:42

Like I didn't have a cattle to make my coffee stupid, stupid

Stevie Manns: 00:32:46

little things threw me off.

Stevie Manns: 00:32:47

And then I had to find my way back into this routine.

Stevie Manns: 00:32:50

And that was the structure that quite honestly kept me sane because I had

Stevie Manns: 00:32:54

to go there by myself for four months.

Stevie Manns: 00:32:55

And my me and my dog.

Stevie Manns: 00:32:57

And I didn't know anyone and I, my Spanish was not great it's we went to our Rita,

Stevie Manns: 00:33:02

however, it wasn't great at the time.

Stevie Manns: 00:33:04

And that was the thing that allowed me, you know, that, that structure

Stevie Manns: 00:33:07

helped me really, really start my day.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:33:11

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:33:11

We've got a comment from Ashley's saying yep.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:33:13

Almost Stevie formal work wear isn't necessary, but some kind

Daniel Abendroth: 00:33:15

of morning routine or getting dressed in the morning or getting

Daniel Abendroth: 00:33:19

dressed that makes you feel alive.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:33:20

It makes a huge difference.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:33:21

Yes.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:33:22

Ashley and Andrea had a very good, uh, where's it, there it is.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:33:28

Um, it took me a while to learn when is best for me to work and not

Daniel Abendroth: 00:33:31

default to traditional business hours.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:33:34

Because one thing I noticed for me is like, I'm pretty good in the morning.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:33:39

Um, and then launch, then I like to take a nap and then like, uh, mid, late afternoon

Daniel Abendroth: 00:33:47

is like when I'm really productive.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:33:49

Um, so I know.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:33:51

I can't do so I, what I tend to try to do at least before I got a dog

Daniel Abendroth: 00:33:56

that completely wrecked our schedule.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:33:59

Um, well, it's kinda mourning a little bit of obligation.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:03

So like I have a, an assistant that will like, uh, listen to my episodes

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:09

and then send me revisions of anything I missed or any tweaks I need.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:12

Um, I was like, that'll do first thing, business stuff.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:16

But then I know, like in the afternoon, if I try to do something in the morning,

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:20

then it's hard for me to focus on editing.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:23

So I know my work isn't going to be as good.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:24

So it's about like learning, um, where your most productive and like

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:30

Andrea was saying that you don't have to stick to traditional business

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:33

hours like that nine to five.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:36

I

Stevie Manns: 00:34:36

think we find what works for you.

Stevie Manns: 00:34:37

I think just because I have been in that situation for my entire working

Stevie Manns: 00:34:42

life, I think that's probably the easiest way for me to transition.

Stevie Manns: 00:34:45

I may transition out of it.

Stevie Manns: 00:34:46

I may end up working late nights who knows.

Stevie Manns: 00:34:49

We'll see.

Stevie Manns: 00:34:50

Yeah,

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:50

I think it was pat Flynn.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:52

I was listening to that's it, like, he ended up working like

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:56

in the middle of the night.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:57

Cause that's whenever work best for him.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:34:59

Like he's the most productive and that gave him like the freedom during

Daniel Abendroth: 00:35:01

the day to spend time with his kids.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:35:05

Yeah.

Stevie Manns: 00:35:06

Oh, go ahead.

Stevie Manns: 00:35:06

Sorry.

Stevie Manns: 00:35:06

No, I was just gonna say a lot of people have like, in terms of

Stevie Manns: 00:35:08

sleeping habits and like the, yeah, I think you've got a circadian rhythm.

Stevie Manns: 00:35:12

A lot of people's are different and some people work better

Stevie Manns: 00:35:14

at night because of that.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:35:16

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:35:17

And a lot of people will say like, you need to get up like early in the

Daniel Abendroth: 00:35:20

morning to do your morning routine.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:35:22

And that way, like to get a good Sergeant today day, it's like,

Daniel Abendroth: 00:35:25

that's not true for everybody.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:35:27

So it's like, don't feel, don't like, don't feel ashamed because like you don't

Daniel Abendroth: 00:35:32

follow, like, cause you're not getting up at four in the morning to do like your

Daniel Abendroth: 00:35:36

morning workout before you go to work.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:35:37

Like, that's fine.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:35:38

If that's not what works best for you.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:35:43

I've been thinking through like some of this kind of

Bryan Entzminger: 00:35:46

struggling with it, because for a while, my editing business has been like 5, 5

Bryan Entzminger: 00:35:52

30 in the morning until six 30 or so.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:35:54

And then again, like call it eight 30 at night until 10.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:35:58

Right.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:35:58

So my, my business hours are when everybody else is not working,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:36:02

I've been kind of wondering, like, does that continue?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:36:07

Like, or do I transition to something more like what Steve is talking about

Bryan Entzminger: 00:36:10

with traditional business hours?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:36:11

Cause I do have traditional business hours.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:36:13

It's just not for my businesses for my job.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:36:17

And that's, that's one of the things I've been wondering is like, do I, at

Bryan Entzminger: 00:36:20

some point start putting barriers on my day and say, I now work normal people,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:36:24

hours in quotes, normal people hours.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:36:28

Uh, so I'm not available at odd times, but I am actually available when you

Bryan Entzminger: 00:36:32

are aware as right now, I'm typically available when other people aren't,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:36:36

unless they're in Europe or Australia, that, um, then I'm good to go.

Stevie Manns: 00:36:41

I'm curious.

Stevie Manns: 00:36:42

I have, I have many questions for you, Brian.

Stevie Manns: 00:36:45

One of them I think, is around.

Stevie Manns: 00:36:48

And as a creative, I hear that creating boundaries or limits for yourself

Stevie Manns: 00:36:55

can be really helpful and productive.

Stevie Manns: 00:36:58

And I'm curious if you've thought about like, creating that limit for

Stevie Manns: 00:37:00

yourself and what that would be.

Stevie Manns: 00:37:02

So that's my first question.

Stevie Manns: 00:37:03

So I'll let you answer that before I asked myself, so

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:06

I've thought about that, but in a lot of ways, my, the

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:09

boundaries have already been created.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:12

Right.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:12

Cause I, I have a day job.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:14

Right.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:14

And they sort of expect me to do that work so that that's a boundary that's there.

Stevie Manns: 00:37:20

May I ask what that is?

Stevie Manns: 00:37:21

Or, yeah, I

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:22

work as a, uh, I work in analytics.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:25

I do network, uh, logistics network modeling for a large pet food company.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:30

Uh, so manufacturing, distribution, all that kind of stuff.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:33

And so that's a fairly engaging job for the call it eight to five ish range.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:39

And then I've also got kids and volunteering and stuff.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:42

Right.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:42

And so like I have boundaries where I have to say.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:46

I don't want to say half to that makes it sound bad.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:48

I have time that I have planned to spend with my family and I have

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:51

some time planned into my week.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:52

That's set aside for not working, but beyond that, the

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:56

boundaries are pretty much set.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:57

I mean, eventually I have to sleep, right.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:37:59

So I can't go past like 10 30 is usually when I try to end so that

Bryan Entzminger: 00:38:04

I can spend a little bit of time with my wife before I go to bed.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:38:07

And then I'm typically up at five to feed the dog.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:38:09

And then shortly after that, I'll start working until like six 30

Bryan Entzminger: 00:38:12

when it's time for my son to go to school, say, say goodbye to him.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:38:16

Do that whole thing.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:38:17

So like in a lot of ways right now, my boundaries are there.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:38:19

If those boundaries were gone, that's what has me concerned?

Stevie Manns: 00:38:25

I don't know.

Stevie Manns: 00:38:25

I don't know your situation.

Stevie Manns: 00:38:27

I'm just gonna ask this question, but have you asked your employer, whether

Stevie Manns: 00:38:30

you could come back a day a week?

Stevie Manns: 00:38:32

I

Bryan Entzminger: 00:38:33

haven't yet because I'm not sure that I'm at the place to do that.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:38:36

Um, there are.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:38:38

Um, my workload at work is more than one person's workload.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:38:42

And I don't say that like, look what they're doing to me.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:38:44

I mean, it's just this constant conversation about prioritizing

Bryan Entzminger: 00:38:47

and what's going to get done next and what gets pushed off.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:38:50

So I'm not sure that they would be willing to have that conversation.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:38:52

Although it's something that I have in the back of my mind, for sure.

Stevie Manns: 00:38:55

I have been very surprised at what people have

Stevie Manns: 00:38:59

been willing to negotiate.

Stevie Manns: 00:39:01

Like when I like the few times in my life where I have said, this is what I want.

Stevie Manns: 00:39:07

I'm like, it's, it's a hard, no, for me, um, I've been really surprised at what

Stevie Manns: 00:39:12

people like people and employers will do.

Stevie Manns: 00:39:14

If you say this is, this is a no go for me and I will walk away

Stevie Manns: 00:39:17

from this and I've genuinely meant it because I CA I couldn't do.

Stevie Manns: 00:39:21

Any more, but I've been really surprised with what people would come back with.

Stevie Manns: 00:39:24

And I'm not suggesting that you walk into your employer's office.

Stevie Manns: 00:39:27

I quit if you don't give me one deal, but I'm just curious if, if, um, you've

Stevie Manns: 00:39:31

maybe considered something like that.

Stevie Manns: 00:39:33

But,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:39:34

uh, I have in the past, for sure.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:39:36

Um, not recently because the workload went right, uh, with, with all of the changes

Bryan Entzminger: 00:39:42

in how retail works in the U S over the last year, like we're redoing all of our

Bryan Entzminger: 00:39:47

five-year plans from like two years ago.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:39:48

Cause nothing is the same.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:39:50

Everything is totally different.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:39:51

And so now we have to validate all of the stuff that we thought we were going to do.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:39:55

Well, I'm going to stop there cause this isn't about that job.

Stevie Manns: 00:39:59

Right.

Stevie Manns: 00:39:59

But if you, but do you think that if you had the time to go full, like for

Stevie Manns: 00:40:05

instance, if you, if your job, for instance went away, not an, I don't

Stevie Manns: 00:40:10

wish that upon you, if that is not your choice, but if it did go away, do you

Stevie Manns: 00:40:13

think that you would be able to fill that void with your editing class?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:16

I think it'd be, I think it'd be pretty

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:18

hairy for a couple of months.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:19

I think after.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:21

I probably could, um, going out and getting clients is not my strong suit.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:26

Uh, you mentioned not wanting to be in people's DMS.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:29

That's like, I'm sorry, but the cold sales conversations, those creep me

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:34

out on both sides of the conversation.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:36

So I'm sort of moving into some areas where I'm creating spaces

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:40

for people to connect and I can be there and meet people there.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:44

So I'm trying to do it a little, so that, that tends to be a longer sales

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:47

cycle, but it's more comfortable to me.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:50

So I would say, I think I could, but probably not the first couple of months.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:40:54

Of

Stevie Manns: 00:40:54

course now I'm sure I'm, you know, and that's, that's kind of the

Stevie Manns: 00:40:57

whole point of this conversation in some, to some extent is like, do you build it

Stevie Manns: 00:41:02

up to a hundred percent and banquet or do you build it up to 70% and then quit?

Stevie Manns: 00:41:07

Or do you like, where, where is it for most.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:41:10

I mean, I can't speak for most people.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:41:11

I think we're where I would be comfortable is in that 50

Bryan Entzminger: 00:41:14

to 75% range where I go, okay.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:41:18

I'm most of the way there.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:41:19

And if I had an additional 40 hours a week, I think I could

Bryan Entzminger: 00:41:23

fill this gap pretty quickly.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:41:26

Um, where I'm at right now is more like 25 to 30% of the way there.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:41:30

And that has me a lot less comfortable.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:41:32

Okay.

Stevie Manns: 00:41:33

I have a question that somewhat it's sort of related and it's

Stevie Manns: 00:41:37

around finding clients sort of, um, how active are you guys on social media?

Stevie Manns: 00:41:45

And for me

Bryan Entzminger: 00:41:48

I'm fairly active in like the podcasting groups, that those

Bryan Entzminger: 00:41:53

kinds of places I'm not as active, um, going out and specifically targeting

Bryan Entzminger: 00:41:59

like business owners or things like that.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:42:01

So

Stevie Manns: 00:42:01

you engage in like the Facebook groups, but

Stevie Manns: 00:42:04

I guess maybe my question is like, do you post as an editor?

Stevie Manns: 00:42:07

Are you like, sort of trying to create, I'm not, I don't mean to say

Stevie Manns: 00:42:11

an influencer, but are you trying to kind of create a persona as, as

Stevie Manns: 00:42:15

that, are you trying to sort of create content to demonstrate what you do?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:42:20

I tend to spend most of my time answering questions, which I

Bryan Entzminger: 00:42:23

like to think of as demonstrating ability, although, um, it doesn't translate to

Bryan Entzminger: 00:42:28

sales is probably as often I've moved into a little bit more of the content

Bryan Entzminger: 00:42:33

creation side on Instagram and really around the, like addressing some of those.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:42:39

I don't want to say stupid.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:42:41

Some of the questionable things that I, that I see going on where like, you

Bryan Entzminger: 00:42:45

know, which microphone should I buy?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:42:47

Well, if you don't know what you're gonna talk about, it doesn't matter.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:42:49

So let's, let's figure that like, I mean, if you got nothing to say, who cares,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:42:54

what you sound like, that means that.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:42:58

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:42:59

Thinking about starting a podcast, I'm trying very out how to make money from

Daniel Abendroth: 00:43:01

it, but I don't have a topic, but yet.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:43:03

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:43:04

And, and it's for everybody, it's

Bryan Entzminger: 00:43:05

just whoever wants to listen.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:43:07

Like, no.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:43:09

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:43:09

I think there's more important things to worry about before you

Daniel Abendroth: 00:43:11

start thinking about monetization.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:43:13

Um,

Stevie Manns: 00:43:13

well I asked that question because I think in this sort of Xi podcast

Stevie Manns: 00:43:16

space, there are a number of people who are, you know, promoting themselves on

Stevie Manns: 00:43:21

Instagram and they're creating reels of by like, oh, you know, um, what are

Stevie Manns: 00:43:25

some of the top tip, uh, the top tips or the top pitfalls of being in podcasting

Stevie Manns: 00:43:30

or like how to get clients or, or, you know, and there's a lot of like space

Stevie Manns: 00:43:33

for, um, podcast producers or editors or people who like, you know, want to

Stevie Manns: 00:43:39

launch clients or things like that.

Stevie Manns: 00:43:40

And they're, and it's, for me, it sort of, it has this sort of, um, it's got

Stevie Manns: 00:43:45

this look about it and it sort of, you know, shiny and that for Instagram,

Stevie Manns: 00:43:48

and that's the way that you get seen and potentially get clients that way.

Stevie Manns: 00:43:52

And I'm I'm, I don't necessarily know.

Stevie Manns: 00:43:55

From the male perspective.

Stevie Manns: 00:43:56

I definitely see it from this sort of female perspective.

Stevie Manns: 00:43:59

Cause you know, in that sort of thirties, female it's, it's got a look to it.

Stevie Manns: 00:44:05

I don't know how to say that diplomatically, but it does

Stevie Manns: 00:44:07

have a nice, shiny look to it.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:44:08

It's not me.

Stevie Manns: 00:44:10

I just wonder if there's a, there's an equivalent for you guys.

Stevie Manns: 00:44:14

So,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:44:15

uh, I will say that I've been working on that kind of thing.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:44:17

And recently I thought about resurrecting a show that I've got on

Bryan Entzminger: 00:44:20

pause right now so that I can actually create a show that has the content

Bryan Entzminger: 00:44:25

that I would want to share anyway.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:44:27

And then also share that content, for example, on Instagram or Twitter or

Bryan Entzminger: 00:44:30

something like that too, to basically try and leverage those channels.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:44:34

Not necessarily to get people, to subscribe to my show, but

Bryan Entzminger: 00:44:38

to say here's a show that I.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:44:40

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:44:40

So you can hear that.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:44:41

I actually know what I'm doing.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:44:42

Like it doesn't suck.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:44:44

And also if you want to work with me, then here's me.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:44:46

So that's what I've been thinking about it.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:44:48

Daniel, what about you like social is kind of your jam, right?

Daniel Abendroth: 00:44:52

I oh yeah, totally.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:44:54

Um, if you look at my Instagram feed, I think I posted two

Daniel Abendroth: 00:44:58

years ago was my last one.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:45:00

And I think I have four total pictures and one of them might be my dog.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:45:04

Um, so no, I don't do so.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:45:06

I kind of like what Brian was saying, like I'm in the podcast

Daniel Abendroth: 00:45:09

groups answering questions.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:45:11

Um, but as far as like PR like creating content is not something I

Daniel Abendroth: 00:45:15

do right now, um, because I've been fortunate that I've been able to grow

Daniel Abendroth: 00:45:22

the business through word of mouth.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:45:24

Um, so I don't really have a need.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:45:28

And so with that being said that I have not put an effort into social media.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:45:33

One thing that makes me hesitant from what I've seen in podcast groups

Daniel Abendroth: 00:45:36

is that the majority of people are.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:45:41

That are on social media and podcasting.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:45:43

Um, looking for answers are new to podcasting and hobbyists.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:45:48

Um, and they are not.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:45:51

So if I were to do social media, I'd have to make sure that I target very

Daniel Abendroth: 00:45:54

well because I don't want to attract all podcasts because most of them wouldn't

Daniel Abendroth: 00:45:58

be a, they're not my ideal client.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:46:00

Like they wouldn't be able, they wouldn't be willing to pay what I charge.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:46:05

So I'd have to like, be very strategic in targeting who I want.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:46:13

How

Bryan Entzminger: 00:46:13

about you, Stevie?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:46:13

Are you, uh, are you working on that?

Stevie Manns: 00:46:16

I had a good go at it last year for a few months and

Stevie Manns: 00:46:21

with everything that I had going on, I was like, I need to drop this,

Stevie Manns: 00:46:25

but, um, it's interesting because.

Stevie Manns: 00:46:28

I feel like, you know, certainly as a creative it's like, you need

Stevie Manns: 00:46:31

to have a social media presence and you need to, you know, post

Stevie Manns: 00:46:34

some fun facts about podcasting.

Stevie Manns: 00:46:37

Like, I don't know, there were 2 million podcasts at the beginning

Stevie Manns: 00:46:40

of 2019 or whatever, and then it just blew up or whatever, and it,

Stevie Manns: 00:46:43

and like interesting facts about podcasts that people might not know.

Stevie Manns: 00:46:46

And, you know, just sort of say, oh, Hey, you know, I noticed don't let podcasting,

Stevie Manns: 00:46:50

you should hire me for your next job.

Stevie Manns: 00:46:52

Um, but I am starting to see a lot of people, again, sort of in this sort

Stevie Manns: 00:46:57

of female sort of non binary space posting a lot of rules about like, oh,

Stevie Manns: 00:47:02

hi, to make your podcast successful.

Stevie Manns: 00:47:04

And I'm so curious about it because I'm like how much of this is good

Stevie Manns: 00:47:09

content or good advice, um, slash you know, and, um, and I think from my

Stevie Manns: 00:47:15

perspective, like I have, I'm not, I'm not, not to say that I'm, I'm an expert.

Stevie Manns: 00:47:20

I'm not an expert.

Stevie Manns: 00:47:20

I don't, I'm not an audio engineer, but I do have a fairly long

Stevie Manns: 00:47:24

background in radio and an audio.

Stevie Manns: 00:47:28

But I, I do wonder how much of it is style over substance.

Stevie Manns: 00:47:31

And, you know, part of me is curious to explore that and I like, and I'll

Stevie Manns: 00:47:37

be honest, I've bought a couple of these sort of like buy my course for

Stevie Manns: 00:47:40

50 bucks and I'm like, okay, fine.

Stevie Manns: 00:47:41

I'll buy your course for 25 bucks or 50 bucks.

Stevie Manns: 00:47:43

And I'll see what you offer.

Stevie Manns: 00:47:44

And I'm like, is it, do I think it's worth it?

Stevie Manns: 00:47:47

And just to sort of see what people are positioning themselves as, and there

Stevie Manns: 00:47:52

are some people that are like, Carrie is great and actually it's social media

Stevie Manns: 00:47:56

and also has a lot of courses that she's, you know, she, she positioned

Stevie Manns: 00:47:59

herself really well, but there are some people who I think are, are like very

Stevie Manns: 00:48:03

Instagram pretty, um, that I don't think necessarily are up to scrub to Scruff.

Stevie Manns: 00:48:09

That's not snuff.

Stevie Manns: 00:48:10

Snuff.

Stevie Manns: 00:48:10

Thank you.

Stevie Manns: 00:48:11

I was going to say scrubs snuff, um, when it comes to the actual, like value

Stevie Manns: 00:48:15

of the content that they're providing.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:48:18

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:48:19

I don't, I mean, I've seen a couple of people, like I think paroma,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:48:22

I've seen some of her reals and.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:48:26

I'm familiar with her.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:48:27

I don't know about any courses or anything.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:48:29

I don't know that she has any, but definitely the content that I see her

Bryan Entzminger: 00:48:32

putting out on Instagram is solid.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:48:34

Like she she's putting out stuff that I'm like, yeah, I could stand behind that.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:48:39

Um, I mean, we have different styles, but that's fine.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:48:42

You know, she's, she's putting out the truth.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:48:44

I think that's great.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:48:45

Yeah.

Stevie Manns: 00:48:45

Oh, she's she's killing it.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:48:49

Uh, Ashley commented.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:48:50

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:48:51

I've always found it difficult to find the right balance of posting enough

Daniel Abendroth: 00:48:53

on social media and feeling completely overwhelmed by it as an artist and

Daniel Abendroth: 00:48:58

an audio editor slash engineer.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:49:01

I haven't posted yet this week on Instagram.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:49:04

Cause I just got overwhelmed with the production process.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:49:07

So I was going for three times a week.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:49:09

Like I know you're supposed to do multiple times a day.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:49:10

I'm like, forget it.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:49:11

I can, maybe I can do Monday, Wednesday, Friday this week.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:49:13

Nothing.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:49:14

We'll see you button next

Daniel Abendroth: 00:49:15

week.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:49:15

Yeah.

Stevie Manns: 00:49:16

I mean, there are ways to do it, I guess, where you sort of plan

Stevie Manns: 00:49:20

out your month and it depends what you do.

Stevie Manns: 00:49:22

Some of your stuff is evergreen, and then you can just like take

Stevie Manns: 00:49:26

a day planet, get later gram or whatever, and then just it's done.

Stevie Manns: 00:49:31

Um, it depends what you, what your podcast is or what it is that you do.

Stevie Manns: 00:49:35

And if it's, you know, going to be topical or not, um, if your podcast

Stevie Manns: 00:49:40

is news topical, good luck because you have to be on it all the time.

Stevie Manns: 00:49:44

Like thank you.

Stevie Manns: 00:49:45

But like, you know, if you're, if you're a nerd like me and you do star Trek or

Stevie Manns: 00:49:48

whatever, you can just create memes and do it all in a day and then you're done.

Stevie Manns: 00:49:52

Um, although I, I admit I'm, I'm slightly behind on doing that, but it can be done.

Stevie Manns: 00:49:57

It's easy.

Stevie Manns: 00:49:58

Do you know Kelly, right?

Stevie Manns: 00:50:00

No.

Stevie Manns: 00:50:01

Oh, Kelly, right?

Stevie Manns: 00:50:01

Yes.

Stevie Manns: 00:50:02

I think it's a Kelly.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:50:02

Yes.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:50:03

Kelly.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:50:03

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:50:04

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:50:05

I see.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:50:05

She's always talking about star Trek.

Stevie Manns: 00:50:09

I think we have connected and all that.

Stevie Manns: 00:50:11

Yeah.

Stevie Manns: 00:50:11

I love, I love the world of Facebook and social media.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:50:15

Yeah, one of the things I'm wondering about your

Bryan Entzminger: 00:50:17

transition, uh, cause we've talked about the, the day job and how that's

Bryan Entzminger: 00:50:21

coming to an end due to some stuff.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:50:24

W besides getting clients, have you done anything to help prepare yourself,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:50:29

uh, financially or legally or whatever to start making this transition?

Stevie Manns: 00:50:34

Um, that's partly a lie.

Stevie Manns: 00:50:38

It's slightly tricky because of my situation.

Stevie Manns: 00:50:41

So I, I have one of the things that I want to do is create an LLC, um,

Stevie Manns: 00:50:49

so that I can one expense stuff.

Stevie Manns: 00:50:52

Um, The things that I'm, you know, there, there are a few things that I'm investing

Stevie Manns: 00:50:56

in and I want to, to offset them tax wise.

Stevie Manns: 00:50:58

So from a sort of tax and legal perspective, that's

Stevie Manns: 00:51:01

certainly what I want to do.

Stevie Manns: 00:51:03

I'm I need to consult somebody about whether or not I can do that within

Stevie Manns: 00:51:06

this particular period before, because as I say, I'm, I'm currently waiting

Stevie Manns: 00:51:09

for a green card, so I'm not sure what I'm allowed to do within this period.

Stevie Manns: 00:51:13

So yeah.

Stevie Manns: 00:51:13

But yes, I have considered that.

Stevie Manns: 00:51:15

Um, and again, I think, you know, this is a period where I'm in some

Stevie Manns: 00:51:21

sorts of limbo and, but I think it's certainly worth getting an LLC because

Stevie Manns: 00:51:27

my investment in myself and, um, my business, even whether my business is

Stevie Manns: 00:51:32

going to be, you know, if I, if I, you know, say for instance, I decide that

Stevie Manns: 00:51:36

I want to work for a production company or, you know, do something in, in, you

Stevie Manns: 00:51:40

know, a vein where I'm, I'm considered an employee versus self-employed.

Stevie Manns: 00:51:43

Then I still think having my.

Stevie Manns: 00:51:45

Company would allow me to do some of this sort of tax stuff, which I

Stevie Manns: 00:51:48

think would be really beneficial.

Stevie Manns: 00:51:49

But I think I would still want to continue doing my own clients on the side, in

Stevie Manns: 00:51:53

which case it would still be beneficial.

Stevie Manns: 00:51:54

So yes, I have considered it.

Stevie Manns: 00:51:56

Um, and there is, uh, somebody, I think, within the, the sheet podcast space that

Stevie Manns: 00:51:59

I've, I've spoken to about doing that.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:52:04

Cool.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:52:04

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:52:04

That's, that's something I continue to think about as well.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:52:06

So I'm interested in your perspective,

Stevie Manns: 00:52:09

have you, you

Bryan Entzminger: 00:52:10

and you haven't done it yet?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:52:11

Um, I have not yet formed an LLC.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:52:13

I do have a business license and all that stuff, but I've not yet

Bryan Entzminger: 00:52:16

formed an LLC, which is on my list.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:52:19

Uh, it's probably not quite as expensive in Tennessee as it is in,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:52:22

uh, New York, but it's not free.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:52:28

Well, Brian, so Heather asked earlier in the Facebook group.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:52:31

Um, so I'm curious what your thoughts are as you kind of look forward, but

Daniel Abendroth: 00:52:37

like having a financial, like an umbrella saved up in order to kind of be stable.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:52:44

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:52:45

So I have some thoughts and I'm not there yet, but I

Bryan Entzminger: 00:52:49

think when I think about trying to make sure that I'm comfortable and I'm not

Bryan Entzminger: 00:52:52

putting my family at undue risk, right.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:52:55

Where my thoughts are, would be call it savings in the range of four to

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:02

six months of basic expenses for the business, as well as for the family.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:08

Right?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:08

So the mortgage gets paid, the electricity stays on.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:11

I still have the internet so I can work.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:13

Uh, and then probably somewhere in the range of 50 to 70% of what I would

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:18

call salary replacement, which is actually ideally more right, because

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:23

you have to plan for taxes differently and there's some other I got.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:26

And so my mind is in the range of 50 to 70%, but that would be 50 to 70%

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:31

based on what I think I would take home from the business after I've

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:35

covered taxes and covered expenses.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:38

Um, and so I'm not quite sure.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:53:41

But it's a squishy number, but that's where I'm at or where I want

Daniel Abendroth: 00:53:46

to be.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:53:48

So I do want to go back because Andrea, let me see if I can find out

Daniel Abendroth: 00:53:55

how to comment that I wanted to cover.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:53:59

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:54:00

Uh, so Andrea said, my challenge with structure is how much time

Daniel Abendroth: 00:54:03

to allocate to client work versus admin versus business growth.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:54:07

It's like one part always seems to get the short shift or shrift anyway.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:54:13

So I know for me, like that's something I continually struggle with.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:54:16

Like for me, it's easy to designate enough time for client work, because

Daniel Abendroth: 00:54:21

like, I have deadlines if I want to get paid and want to retain these

Daniel Abendroth: 00:54:25

clients, I have to do client work.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:54:27

But as far as like business growth or up-skilling, or, um, admin tasks,

Daniel Abendroth: 00:54:33

because those are self-imposed deadlines.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:54:35

I struggle with that a little bit.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:54:38

So, do you guys have like any strategies or like how you handle it?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:54:43

My strategy would be to not use my strategy because it should

Bryan Entzminger: 00:54:47

be, what I would like to do is probably 30 to 60 minutes, a day of business

Bryan Entzminger: 00:54:53

development that would be developing content or relationship building or

Bryan Entzminger: 00:54:58

CRM management, that kind of thing.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:55:00

Uh, maybe ideally not more than 60 minutes a day of admin work and then the

Bryan Entzminger: 00:55:08

rest dedicated to production time or to strategic thinking or that kind of stuff.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:55:12

I'm not anywhere near that.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:55:14

I'm more like an hour a week maybe on, so on the things that

Bryan Entzminger: 00:55:20

actually matter for future growth.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:55:23

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:55:23

I think like admin work is for me, like less than probably you would expect.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:55:32

So I spend like.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:55:34

That's when a couple of hours, the first week of each month, just like finishing,

Daniel Abendroth: 00:55:38

wrapping up the previous month, getting all my, um, expenses in order to anything

Daniel Abendroth: 00:55:44

catalyze, reconciling my accounts, like to find like the accounting side of things.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:55:48

Um, but beyond that, I don't really have a whole lot that I dedicate

Daniel Abendroth: 00:55:51

to like actually running the business beyond my client work.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:55:56

It's like upscaling and designating time to actually like improve

Daniel Abendroth: 00:56:01

myself as we're I struggle with,

Stevie Manns: 00:56:04

um, have you guys thought about, I mean, and I don't know if this

Stevie Manns: 00:56:06

has worked for you, but, um, and again, this is purely because of my corporate

Stevie Manns: 00:56:11

background is if I want to, like, if I want to do that, if I want to use my

Stevie Manns: 00:56:16

time for something, I will block it out and I will just do it within that time.

Stevie Manns: 00:56:20

And that means that no one can book time with me.

Stevie Manns: 00:56:23

Um, and that's the time that I dedicate to doing something.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:56:27

I think that's a good strategy that I need to implement

Daniel Abendroth: 00:56:30

is like just having a routine.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:56:33

It's like this time, like you're saying like, is it designated to whatever

Daniel Abendroth: 00:56:36

test and just kinda like get into a routine where I honor that each

Daniel Abendroth: 00:56:41

week and it just becomes a habit.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:56:46

I would say that I do that to some extent, probably

Bryan Entzminger: 00:56:50

not as strategically as I should, so I don't necessarily go next week,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:56:54

Friday, I'm going to do two hours of personal development, which is

Bryan Entzminger: 00:56:57

what I would do at my corporate job.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:57:00

Um, I tend to be more like I'm caught up on production work so I can either

Bryan Entzminger: 00:57:05

try and pull stuff ahead or I can invest in, you know, learning or business

Bryan Entzminger: 00:57:11

development or something like that.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:57:12

And so I tend to make the decision a little bit more laissez-faire

Bryan Entzminger: 00:57:15

than I should, but that's, that's how, um, good, bad and ugly.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:57:19

That's how I do

Stevie Manns: 00:57:19

it in this room to be flexible because, and the way that I

Stevie Manns: 00:57:23

think about it is like, if I work out, um, So I'll have my five days and I'll

Stevie Manns: 00:57:30

do whatever I do during those five days that I consider to be sort of

Stevie Manns: 00:57:33

working out and I will have at least one day that's like mobility or yoga.

Stevie Manns: 00:57:36

And I might go down to the gym and be like, yeah, I'm going to jump on the

Stevie Manns: 00:57:40

Peloton or I'm going to lift some weights.

Stevie Manns: 00:57:41

And I'm like, I really don't feel like it.

Stevie Manns: 00:57:43

Maybe today's why mobility day.

Stevie Manns: 00:57:45

And so then, you know, it's, it's so applying it back to the structuring

Stevie Manns: 00:57:50

of when do you do your admin, w when do you do your development?

Stevie Manns: 00:57:53

Um, it, you may be more productive, or you may not want to, I'm not

Stevie Manns: 00:57:57

saying procrastinate, but you may have days where it's better for you

Stevie Manns: 00:58:00

to do it certain days than others.

Stevie Manns: 00:58:02

Um, and somewhat, maybe trusting yourself to do that, but it's giving yourself the

Stevie Manns: 00:58:06

freedom and the flexibility to change the hard structure that you set for yourself.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:58:13

W one of the things I so appreciate about this conversation

Bryan Entzminger: 00:58:16

is it's highlighting some of the lies.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:58:17

I like to tell myself, so

Daniel Abendroth: 00:58:21

yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:58:25

So I want to add just one final thought.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:58:26

As far as like structure goes is make sure that you give yourself time off.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:58:33

It's really easy when you work from home and like you run your own business

Daniel Abendroth: 00:58:38

to spend all your time on the business and not just take time for yourself.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:58:42

And when, when I do like there's some guilt associated, like there's

Daniel Abendroth: 00:58:47

work, I could be doing that.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:58:48

I shouldn't be doing blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:58:49

Like you need time off.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:58:50

You need time to just kinda be, to enjoy yourself.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:58:56

So don't be making sure you give yourself that and don't feel guilty about it.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:59:03

Amen.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:59:05

So as we wrap up the show, Brian, do you want to hit us with our

Daniel Abendroth: 00:59:08

pod question of the episode?

Bryan Entzminger: 00:59:10

Yes.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:59:11

I've been waiting this whole episode to do this.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:59:14

I forgot to give you a choice.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:59:15

So we just got stuck with the one that I drew out of the thing,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:59:18

but today's podcast, pod decks.

Bryan Entzminger: 00:59:20

Question of the day slightly modified is who's your favorite hero of podcasting?

Stevie Manns: 00:59:28

I'm going to let Daniel answer this first.

Stevie Manns: 00:59:30

Oh

Daniel Abendroth: 00:59:30

wow.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:59:31

I like that.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:59:31

You go first.

Daniel Abendroth: 00:59:31

You're the one that I have no guests rules

Stevie Manns: 00:59:36

my hero of podcasting.

Stevie Manns: 00:59:38

I say,

Bryan Entzminger: 00:59:39

since she's not here, my hero of podcasting will be Carrie

Bryan Entzminger: 00:59:45

because not only is she excellent at what she does, but she's an incredible

Bryan Entzminger: 00:59:49

advocate for podcasting and for making sure that people get the attention

Bryan Entzminger: 00:59:55

that they do deserve, not just the same three people over and over.

Stevie Manns: 01:00:00

I'll second that I think like I have yet to meet Carrie in person.

Stevie Manns: 01:00:04

We have spoken, but I see Carrie consistently raise people up.

Stevie Manns: 01:00:09

And I love that.

Stevie Manns: 01:00:10

I, you know, I know that like the Xi podcast group is great for doing

Stevie Manns: 01:00:13

that, but Carrie is really good at it.

Daniel Abendroth: 01:00:15

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth: 01:00:16

Unfortunately, Carrie couldn't join us due to internet outage

Daniel Abendroth: 01:00:19

that she's been dealing with.

Daniel Abendroth: 01:00:20

She says,

Stevie Manns: 01:00:23

that's how you get very close to Mike.

Stevie Manns: 01:00:24

And you say that

Daniel Abendroth: 01:00:27

stumped on Don.

Bryan Entzminger: 01:00:29

I don't think there's much proximity effect on this.

Bryan Entzminger: 01:00:31

Sorry.

Stevie Manns: 01:00:32

I think I do have a done, done, done.

Stevie Manns: 01:00:33

I'm not sure if my, uh, I've got my red mic on, but

Daniel Abendroth: 01:00:37

so for me, um, I know we talk about them all the time, but

Daniel Abendroth: 01:00:40

Steve Stewart, uh, just in my experience, it's what he's done with the podcast

Daniel Abendroth: 01:00:47

editors club that, um, empowered me to actually charge what I'm worth.

Daniel Abendroth: 01:00:55

And without that, I wouldn't have been able to.

Daniel Abendroth: 01:00:59

Do this full time.

Daniel Abendroth: 01:01:00

Cause I just, I was undercharging by so much and because of the group, because of

Daniel Abendroth: 01:01:03

what he's done, um, I realized my worth.

Daniel Abendroth: 01:01:07

So Steve Stewart,

Stevie Manns: 01:01:09

I love Steve.

Stevie Manns: 01:01:10

He's great.

Stevie Manns: 01:01:10

I love his, um, his quarterly emails.

Stevie Manns: 01:01:14

So I dunno, I dunno if you guys did this, but I replied to some email

Stevie Manns: 01:01:17

and it was like, what are your, what are your goals for the year?

Stevie Manns: 01:01:19

And I like, he checks in every quarter and he has a full

Stevie Manns: 01:01:23

conversation with you about it.

Stevie Manns: 01:01:24

I love that.

Stevie Manns: 01:01:25

And he's, he's just, I, I, yeah, I absolutely agree with that.

Stevie Manns: 01:01:29

Um, but if I have to choose somebody different, the two that you've chosen,

Stevie Manns: 01:01:32

um, mine would be Elsie, Elsie Escobar.

Stevie Manns: 01:01:35

Nice.

Stevie Manns: 01:01:35

Okay.

Stevie Manns: 01:01:35

Yeah.

Stevie Manns: 01:01:36

I love Elsie.

Stevie Manns: 01:01:37

She's.

Stevie Manns: 01:01:37

She's great.

Stevie Manns: 01:01:38

Um, so supportive, no question is a stupid question.

Stevie Manns: 01:01:42

Like given what she does and how integrated she is and everything.

Stevie Manns: 01:01:45

Um, what, she's, what she and Jess had been able to create where she podcasts,

Stevie Manns: 01:01:49

I think has been it's it's all inspiring.

Stevie Manns: 01:01:52

It's great.

Daniel Abendroth: 01:01:54

Love it.

Daniel Abendroth: 01:01:58

Thank you so much for coming on the show, Stevie.

Daniel Abendroth: 01:02:00

Um, it's been absolutely wonderful and thank you everybody.

Daniel Abendroth: 01:02:04

Who's here watching live, and those that are listening, um, to the podcast.

Daniel Abendroth: 01:02:10

If you want to be a guest on the show, Brian, do you wanna let them know what to

Bryan Entzminger: 01:02:14

do?

Bryan Entzminger: 01:02:14

Oh yeah, this is, this is the best go to podcast editors,

Bryan Entzminger: 01:02:17

mastermind.com/be a guest.

Bryan Entzminger: 01:02:20

That's all one word slash be a guest, put all your information

Bryan Entzminger: 01:02:23

in there and hit send.

Bryan Entzminger: 01:02:25

And that will magically transport it directly to Daniel's spam folder.

Bryan Entzminger: 01:02:29

And every couple of weeks he will check that and he will find your email and he

Bryan Entzminger: 01:02:32

will pull it out and he will email you back and we'll work to get you set up,

Bryan Entzminger: 01:02:36

uh, so that we can get you on this show.

Bryan Entzminger: 01:02:38

Whether you're an expert with something you want to share with

Bryan Entzminger: 01:02:40

the community, or if you've got questions, there's a business struggle.

Bryan Entzminger: 01:02:43

You're working on something like that.

Bryan Entzminger: 01:02:44

Or you just want to hang out and chat about how.

Bryan Entzminger: 01:02:47

Podcasts, edit and change your life.

Bryan Entzminger: 01:02:49

I don't know.

Bryan Entzminger: 01:02:49

All that kind of stuff.

Bryan Entzminger: 01:02:50

Podcasts, editors, mastermind.com/be a

Stevie Manns: 01:02:53

guest.

Stevie Manns: 01:02:54

Oh, could you make it be our guests?

Stevie Manns: 01:02:55

And then we could sing the song.

Stevie Manns: 01:02:56

We

Bryan Entzminger: 01:02:56

talked about that, but then there's Disney.

Bryan Entzminger: 01:02:58

Like they're super like they will Sue you.

Stevie Manns: 01:03:02

Yes, they will.

Stevie Manns: 01:03:04

Listen guys.

Stevie Manns: 01:03:04

Thank you so much for having me on.

Stevie Manns: 01:03:05

It's been, it's been so enlightening to have this conversation with you

Stevie Manns: 01:03:09

and I really appreciate, thank you.

Daniel Abendroth: 01:03:11

This has been fun.

Daniel Abendroth: 01:03:12

Uh, I'm Daniel Abendroth.

Daniel Abendroth: 01:03:14

You can find me at Roth media audio.

Bryan Entzminger: 01:03:17

I am Brian and Springer.

Bryan Entzminger: 01:03:18

You can find me@toptieraudio.com.

Stevie Manns: 01:03:23

Oh, hi, I'm CV fans.

Stevie Manns: 01:03:25

And you can find me at Stevie Kent dull NYC.

Stevie Manns: 01:03:27

It's not confusing.

Stevie Manns: 01:03:28

I just got married and changed my name

Daniel Abendroth: 01:03:31

and Carrie Coffield.

Daniel Abendroth: 01:03:32

Eric could not join us tonight, but you can find her@yalepodcasting.com.

Daniel Abendroth: 01:03:37

Thank you so much.

Daniel Abendroth: 01:03:37

And we'll see you next time.