Adobe Lawsuit, AI Considerations, Editing Software

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So--

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How much is that?

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Um, um, um.

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Um, um, um.

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Well, hello, everyone.

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We are live here on the podcast Editor Mastermind,

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which I like to describe as the podcast where

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we talk about the business side of podcast editing, not the tech.

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But we don't edit our own show.

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I'm Jennifer Longworth from Bourbon Barrel Podcasting.

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And with me today is--

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Bryan Entzminger from Top Tier Audio.

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And actually, this month I'm editing the show

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because Alejandro's on a month-long vacation

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to see family.

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So this month we do edit our own show.

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So if it's not good, you know why.

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[LAUGHTER]

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Not appearing are Daniel and Carrie.

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We miss them and wish them well.

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So we're doing something a little bit different.

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Bryan and I are going to talk about some news.

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This rolls across my Google feed.

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I have a Google Pixel phone.

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And if I swipe one way, it just gives me random news articles.

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And Adobe is being sued for hiding early termination fees.

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This doesn't sound like good news, Jennifer.

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What's going on there?

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Well, well, Adobe's hidden cancellation fee

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is unlawful, the FTC suit says.

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So this is coming from the Federal Trade Commission.

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This isn't just me suing them because I'm

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mad that they took my money.

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Apparently, there is a hidden early termination fee

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in your contract that no one reads, right, when you say,

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I agree.

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Yeah.

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Somewhere deep down in there.

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According to ARStechnica.com, it says

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that Adobe knew that canceling subscription was hard,

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but determined that it would hurt revenue

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to make canceling any easier.

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So they never changed the process.

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Even though the FTC started digging into this in 2022,

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indicating that their practices may be illegal,

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Adobe did nothing to address the harm.

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Adobe also provides no refunds or partial refunds

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to some subscribers who incur charges

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after an attempted unsuccessful cancellation.

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Also says that cancellation fee allegedly

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used as a retention tool.

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And we know this from canceling cable and stuff, too.

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It's like, oh, but if you stay, dot, dot, dot.

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So I read through this a little bit

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because I didn't have any idea before you shared it with me

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that this was even going on.

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I've never been an Adobe user other than, I think, years ago

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I might have tried Photoshop or something like the free version

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back when they had one.

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I don't even know if they do anymore.

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But it looks like essentially what they've done

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is they've moved the notice about cancellations

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into basically what would be sort of like an exhibit

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in a contract.

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It's like a separate page on the website that only pops up

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if you click the link that Adobe knows that nobody clicks

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to read the additional terms and service.

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And then it shows up as part of the cancellation process.

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And they have apparently also a convoluted process.

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If you want to do it by phone, it's the typical cell phone

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contract type where you call and you talk to a person.

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But they don't have the authority to let you go.

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So then they transfer you.

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And after holding for 17 hours--

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I made up the 17 hours.

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After holding for a period of time, you go to another person.

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And you have to start all over.

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Like, what's your password?

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What's your PIN number?

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What's your name?

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Why are you calling today?

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Oh, I can't help you.

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Let me send you--

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and it's like a series of that, just getting bounced around

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until the phone hangs up on you and you call and do it all over

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again is what it sounds like.

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For me, one, this is a little bit concerning

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if I was to switch to Adobe.

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And what I understand is that this is only

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in the initial year contract.

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So after that, I think it converts to month to month

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based on what I read.

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I don't know if that's true.

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So there would be a concern there.

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But the other thing that got me thinking about this

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is I wonder if some of the ways that we write our contracts

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might also fit into this by making it potentially hard

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for people to cancel services with us.

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And while I hate to see a client go at the same time,

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it's got me thinking, are there things

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that I do with my contracts that might be similar?

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I don't have multiple people for them to call.

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I don't charge a cancellation fee.

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I do a minimum term, but I also have a 30-day-out clause.

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So it's basically like, you can get out if you want to.

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I don't know, Jennifer, what were the things that you thought of

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as you were going through this whole Adobe,

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how does it affect podcast editors thing?

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Well, I am an Adobe user.

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And I'm just glad I've never had to try to cancel.

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And if it ends up being getting a class action settlement,

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I'm going to take my money and be happy.

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And those were some of the things.

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I don't know if it's going to go that direction or not.

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But I've been using Adobe for quite a few years.

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And I've moved up and down levels,

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but I've never, I guess, never tried to totally cancel,

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or else I would have known about this before.

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And I would have been like, oh my gosh,

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I can't believe you're trying to charge me that much.

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I think I saw Patrick is on as well.

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So Patrick, I think you're an Adobe user.

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Do you have any thoughts about the whole cancellation thing?

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I'd love to know what you're thinking.

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Because I'm kind of an outsider in this one.

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I'm really kind of lost other than going,

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I would hate that if they did that to me.

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But I skirted that one by not using Adobe.

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There's something to be said about not being

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tied to a subscription model anyway.

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Patrick says that he was Googling it.

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He was not in the know.

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So if you're watching now or listening later,

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in the show notes, we'll have some links

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that we used to do our research.

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You're welcome to check those out.

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I'm not going to drop them in the chat tonight

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because there's too many and I'll drop the wrong one

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and then I'll start crying and it will just be sad.

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But you're welcome to use that.

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We would encourage you because this guy's not a lawyer.

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He's barely legally inclined.

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So just, yeah, be careful.

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I have a love/hate relationship.

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As a user, I hate subscriptions.

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I much prefer buying a license and then paying

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for upgrades if they charge for upgrades.

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I realize that in the end, it probably works out the same

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and it makes it easier for the developers

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to make things work.

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Ideally, they don't have multiple versions

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of Adobe running at the same time

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because everybody upgrades because they're all

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on a subscription.

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But there's actually some research around piracy

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and what I understand is actually the biggest reason

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most companies move to a subscription model

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is because it's been demonstrated

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that a low monthly payment does more to fight piracy

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than digital rights management type things would do.

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So they offer it on a, they'll call it low monthly price

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and then people that can't afford or would balk

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at a $300 purchase price, which is probably not inaccurate

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for Adobe Audition if you were to buy it outright.

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This is what, two years of subscription,

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something like that, it's probably not that far off,

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but they're willing to say, well, I'll spend 20

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or $30 a month on it and it actually does more

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to protect the company's revenue

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because people are willing to pay that over time.

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But again, as a user, I hate it.

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I don't want the companies to lose money to piracy,

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but also if I bought the software,

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I don't want to have to wonder if I have a lean month,

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am I gonna lose the key piece of software

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that makes my business possible?

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- But as someone who now has people paying me

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on subscription, I kind of like getting their money

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every month.

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- Yeah, and if they cancel, they'll stop getting

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your services, right?

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- Right.

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- And so I see that argument, but at the same time,

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you could make the argument that if they're not getting

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ongoing support and they're not getting upgrades,

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then there are no services being rendered

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once the license has been purchased

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and they just stop paying the subscription.

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I get the model, not arguing that.

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I do like the monthly revenue myself,

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but I also have no expectation that I could do my work

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one time and keep getting paid every month

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for one of my users to not use any of my resources.

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It'd be one thing if there were servers in the background

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running stuff, gotta pay for that, totally get that.

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If I just did something one time and they use it

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over and over, I'm not quite so sure on that.

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Maybe if it was a creative work,

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'cause then you've got copyright and all that stuff.

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- Yeah.

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- So Jennifer, are you gonna cancel this to try it out

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and tell us what it was like?

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- Nope, not gonna do it.

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- Did you see that Adobe's also in the news again

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a little bit on the whole AI training data set

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and stuff like that? - Yeah, I did see that.

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Artificial intelligence and machine learning.

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And this is from research.adobe.com

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that Adobe's saying, yes, at Adobe,

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we use artificial intelligence, machine learning,

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and deep learning to solve problems in content understanding,

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including images, videos, documents, audio, and more,

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for recommendations, personalizations,

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search and information retrieval,

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prediction and journey analysis, blah, blah, blah, blah,

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and on and on.

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So they say, yes, we use this stuff.

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And then folks are saying two things you've sent me here.

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One says that, yes, they're using whatever is stored

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in the cloud can be used to train their generative AI.

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And other things say, no, that's not true.

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- I also found another article

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that I didn't get in the notes in time,

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but they did issue a statement saying

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that they're not using their training data

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for generative AI, which I think is the big concern.

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I think what's going on here

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is that they're using machine learning and AI

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to understand how users are using the product

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and to further tune the product.

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But I think there's a fine line there

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between using that information to develop and tweak tools.

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'Cause I think about the Adobe podcast,

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the one where you can edit the transcription or something,

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kind of like Descript.

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I think there's gonna have to be an element of AI in that,

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because it has to recognize voices.

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The thing about this that concerns me a bit,

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and with their statement coming out,

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as long as they stick to their statement

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about not using it for generative AI,

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I think that's reasonably good.

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But I'm concerned about security.

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I don't use any of their products,

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but if I had a client who is providing me with content,

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some of which is going to hit the cutting room floor,

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think about, oh, I forgot the guy's name.

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We had a guest on who was editing

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for financial institutions,

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and there were some strict rules

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about what could and couldn't be in the final episode.

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What if some of that content from an episode

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that was supposed to have been cut

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was captured by a generative AI training algorithm?

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I've got some concerns about that,

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but I think the big thing is to be aware, as an editor,

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whether the tools that you're using, how they use AI.

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Could your client's information end up being

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part of a training data set without their permission?

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This kind of gets in the weeds,

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and maybe it's a little bit draconian,

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but could the way that you set things up for your workflow

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become part of a preset that they create

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so now all of your competition has access to the same thing?

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I know of a few people who consider their workflow

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a competitive advantage, whatever that is.

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They won't share it.

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They've got a special thing in mastering or in processing

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or whatever that they won't share with anybody.

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What happens if that becomes part of a preset now

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that's not attributed to them,

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they don't get anything from it,

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and now all of their editing competition

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has at their fingertips exactly what they do?

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I know the software that I use, Hindenburg,

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has been very clear that they don't keep

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or store any user data.

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Even when they brought in their whole transcription thing,

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they were really clear, all this happens on your computer.

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None of this is sent off anywhere for anything,

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'cause they're dealing also with news reporters, right?

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Sometimes news reporters are interviewing people

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who can't be named.

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That would be something terrible to send off to,

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I'll pick it, rev.com, and then discover

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that they were using that as part of a training algorithm,

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and then the Justice Department found out

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that that was available data that was in there,

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sent a subpoena, now that stuff's out in the open.

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I get the concern there.

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What are you thinking about, Jennifer?

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- When it comes to AI, there's so many different things

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to consider, I mean, is it plagiarism

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if you use generative AI and claim it as your own?

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Is my stuff being stolen?

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Is my stuff being repurposed?

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How far does this go?

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- Right, and that's really a big challenge,

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because as a user, I use Cast Magic,

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which I know is using the GPT four-point something,

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and I've got some concerns about that,

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like some ethical concerns.

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It's been deemed as not illegal for them

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to have that training set as of right now,

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but it does make me wonder, 'cause I can't really,

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I don't really understand the lineage

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of what was used to train that algorithm,

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because let's be honest, it's just a bunch of data

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with some algebra thrown on top

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until it gives you a result that sounds reasonable, right?

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It's not actually smart.

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But that's a concern for me.

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I'm not dissing it, but that's the reality.

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It is not an intelligent thing.

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It is only a bunch of machine learning

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that says these word combinations

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generally fit together within this context.

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It does range some concerns, because I like having access

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to the tool, it saves me time and money.

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At the same time, at some point,

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is it going to be determined that the lineage

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of that data set is suspect?

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- And I wanna answer Patrick's question real quick.

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He says, "Are we still talking about Adobe?"

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Or is this something else?

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And the, yeah, the bridge was the articles that we found,

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this was from Reddit, "Adobe is not training AI

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with your cloud files," this person who claims

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to work for Photoshop says.

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"Adobe has never used anything in our storage

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to train a generative AI model, not once.

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If we ever allow people to opt in

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for generative AI specifically, we need to call it out

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and explain how we're using it."

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I work on the Photoshop team at Adobe

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and have to answer any questions.

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- That, however, does raise questions for other tools, right?

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There are other tools out there that are using AI.

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We're not saying it's bad.

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We're just saying be aware,

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because it may matter to your clients.

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I know for my day job, they have very strict guidelines

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on what can be provided to any kind of AI tool

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and very strict rules on how it can be used.

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It can't be proprietary information.

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It can't be used as part of any training algorithm

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outside of the benefit of our company.

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We can't, for example, load something up

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on Microsoft's LLM and allow it to be used outside,

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because they can't guarantee

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that none of that will ever reappear.

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It's really concerning, especially for people and companies

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that have proprietary information

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that they want to keep that way.

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- Yeah, you can't just, didn't people get in trouble

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for trying to make something a little simpler terms

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and threw in a whole user manual of proprietary information

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or something like that?

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- Probably. (laughing)

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I mean, that sounds like something that early on

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you'd think, "Oh, that's great.

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I could totally do that,"

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because you don't realize that every query

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is creating more training data, unless,

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I think there are parameters, but yeah.

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Patrick also says he'd be concerned

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if he was a Descript user.

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I didn't want to call it any company names myself,

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but that's one that I'd be concerned about.

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There are some other tools out there

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claiming to do similar stuff.

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I'd be a little bit concerned about that.

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I am transparently a little bit concerned about Cast Magic,

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not for any of the shows that I'm currently working on,

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but if I have a show where the host is concerned about that,

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that's probably something where I would want

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to outsource the writing rather than using an AI tool.

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You taking notes there, Jennifer?

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- I'm asking ChatGPT how to use it best.

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No, I'm just kidding.

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I hadn't pulled up the question of the day yet,

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so I was doing that real quick.

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- I was thinking maybe you were gonna ask ChatGPT

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how to raise your prices.

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- Oh, what I use ChatGPT for is to double-check myself

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when I do a talk or come up with a proposal or whatever.

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I think this sounds right, but let me ask ChatGPT,

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what do you think?

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Hey, tell me five steps to do whatever, whatever.

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And it's like, here they are.

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I'm like, great, that's what I said.

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All right, and so I'm not using it

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to generate ideas for myself.

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I'm double-checking to make sure I'm on track.

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That's how I use ChatGPT.

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Or to kill time and write limericks when I'm bored.

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- Let's not do that on the air.

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I'm concerned about what might come up.

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So I think about a month ago,

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we did talk about you raising your rates, right?

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'Cause you've got an influx of clients.

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It's more than you can handle.

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You've realized you have to charge more

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to pay for your contractors.

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How's that going?

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- So I have quoted the rate, the new rate twice,

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and the first one, they told me upfront,

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even before I quoted them,

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we're not ready to make a decision yet.

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We're just gathering information.

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But they didn't go, oh my gosh,

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I can't believe you're charging that either,

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after I did give them the number.

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And they have opened the proposal more than once.

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So that tells me that maybe they're still discussing it.

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- Or they're showing all their friends,

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you can't believe what they're quoting us.

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- I can't believe this.

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I'm like-- - It's so low.

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- Ah, I know, right?

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It's still low, but it's better than it was,

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'cause I literally doubled my 30-minute rate.

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And the 60-minute rate close to doubled it.

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Didn't quite double it, 'cause, anyway.

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- So you shared your rate twice.

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You told us about one. - Yes.

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So the second one, she said yes to the new rate.

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- Awesome.

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I think at this point, out of a sample size of two,

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50% success rate sounds pretty good.

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- Well, and I always have people

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who don't get back with me, no matter what my rate is.

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Even if my rate was my old $40 per episode,

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which I confess I did that when I was starting out

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and didn't know any better.

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I mean, people still don't get back with you.

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- Now, I think this is all new rates.

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Have you adjusted rates for any incumbents,

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or is that all staying flat?

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- No, that's, no, because I just, ugh.

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You've known me long enough to know I hate that conversation.

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Even thinking about that, even though I just wanna raise 'em

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by like $5, just by $5.

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Ugh, just can't, can't do it.

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So it's just new people coming on

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until I finally crack and raise my $5. (laughs)

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- So Jennifer, what would help push you over the hump?

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Is that something where we just need to ask everybody

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to send you an email and tell you you can do it?

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- No, I mean, I know I can't.

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I just, the motivation's not quite there.

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- Okay.

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- I think if I looked at things differently,

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I'm like, look how much money you're leaving on the table

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for just $5 an episode, just $5.

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- Yeah, you've got that magic spreadsheet.

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Can you use that? - I do have

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the magic spreadsheet, and I need to have it tell me what to,

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I think I started crafting the email once.

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Hi, your rate's going up by $5.

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But I never did it or sent it or anything.

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I mean, and there's some clients who've been with me

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for like three years.

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Okay, raising them by $5 over a course of three years,

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that's fine.

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But then there's people who are really new,

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and they'd be like, hey, I just started paying you.

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Why are you raising my rate $5 already? (laughs)

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- Does your contract not specify a term or something?

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- It's a year.

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- I wouldn't expect you to change those.

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- No. - So you mentioned

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a calculator, if there's somebody listening,

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well, actually, were you aware that there's a rate

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calculator in the Podcast Editor Academy?

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- I am not a part of the program.

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- Yeah, so if you were, there's a rate calculator in there

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to help you understand what you might need to charge

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for a project.

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And for those that are watching or listening,

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that's at podcasteditoracademy.com.

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I have an affiliate link, that's not it,

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'cause I don't remember it.

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So if you're interested, go sign up.

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I think there's still a free trial.

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Check and see if your rates are gonna get you

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to your financial goals, 'cause that's a big deal.

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- Well, my old ones were not.

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- Yeah, and you're at the place now where I think

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you've really gotta consider your expenses, right?

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What does it actually cost you to do something?

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'Cause it's now not just you as overhead, right?

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Now it's, and somebody else too.

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- Yeah, I've got three sub-editors, and then I have a lot

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of people who saw me in the Podcast Editor Club say

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I had an agency who wanna work for me,

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but I'm kinda picky at this point, 'cause I haven't filled

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up the three people I have.

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So I'm not wide open.

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I just ask, I'm like, oh, are you an editor?

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I have an agency, and then I got DMs, emails, comments.

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(laughs)

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So people wanna work, but.

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- Yeah, so it might be worth mentioning, we did talk

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to Daryl Darnell, what, four weeks ago, something like that?

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I know you were part of that conversation, but for those

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that are interested, if you're looking to hire people,

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he did have a pretty good process for bringing people on.

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He didn't walk us through all of it, but he made it pretty

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clear that it's not just, do you have a pulse, do you say

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that you can edit, here you go.

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- Yeah, I did that.

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That doesn't work.

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- Having a pulse?

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- Yeah, I mean, I have two editors who are really, really

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good, and then Mawaan, who's still learning, but he's

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getting there, we'll get there.

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And then I had someone else who didn't edit in my style.

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- Okay.

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- So I was like, ah, I don't know if this is gonna work,

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'cause that's not how I do it.

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And I want people to edit, like me, what Steve says is,

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he has trained most of the editors that he's worked with,

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'cause he wants them to edit in his style.

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- Yeah, and that's fair.

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In a previous life, if you will, I worked as a manager

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at a fast food restaurant, and you would not believe

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the amount of time I spent explaining to the people

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that worked there that they should just follow the recipe.

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You put a bun, 'cause it was a McDonald's, you put a bun,

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you put exactly the amount of ketchup they say,

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exactly the amount of all the things, and the answer

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would always be, but isn't mine better?

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And I'm like, it doesn't matter, they didn't show up

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to McDonald's to buy a Bob Burger, they showed up

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to McDonald's to buy a McDonald's cheeseburger,

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and that's what they expect.

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You might be thinking you're delighting them

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by giving them something different, but the reality is

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that's not what they think they're buying.

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For something that's what you do, where the stakes

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are much higher, I totally get that.

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- Yeah, I have one client, and they're very country,

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and they talk a little slower, and just a real more casual.

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You can't edit that the same way you edit

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my scripted business show.

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So I gotta coach my new people who are still learning

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this editing thing, I'm like, yeah, you tried to edit that,

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like you edit this one, and that doesn't work.

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So like I said, for how many years

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I didn't wanna manage people. (laughs)

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- Yeah. - Oh well.

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So we have some other news that you brought up

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that you wanted to discuss about Apple.

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- Oh yeah, they announced on WWDC,

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and I missed the whole livestream thing,

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I got it later on the feed, they were talking

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about it as well, but Apple is in the process

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of adding the ability to record calls on the phone.

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I understand this is gonna be in the Notes app,

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that it'll be recorded and it'll automatically transcribe it

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using some kind of magical AI type stuff.

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But this to me is really interesting,

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because in the past there have been very few

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good mobile recording options.

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In fact, I had a client at one time

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who actually runs a telecom company,

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and who was trying to do VoIP with his own stuff,

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and even that, he couldn't get set up properly

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to make it easy to record a double ender.

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So I'm really, I'm interested to see how this turns out,

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not because I think that you're gonna get

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studio quality out of it, but I wonder what this does

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for that guest who just can't be bothered

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to do anything but call in, maybe somebody who's on tour

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or something like that, they don't have access

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to good internet, but a phone they can do.

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I'm wondering what that'll be, I've got some concerns,

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are you gonna get two tracks or one, probably one,

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is it gonna sound like a high quality phone call

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or a low quality phone call, I don't know.

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I think it's something to keep our eyes on,

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especially if we have, once we understand

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what the quality might look like,

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and I don't have the fancy phone that it'll work on,

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but once we start to understand that,

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if a client does, what happens if it's better than Zoom?

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- Oh, if it's better than Zoom,

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what do you think is gonna happen?

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- Zoom is almost the defacto answer

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for anybody who thinks it's too hard for a guest

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to fire up a Chrome web browser and connect.

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And if this is better,

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could that end up being a better solution?

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I don't know, but I think it's something to keep our eyes on.

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- Are you an Apple user?

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- I am an Apple user, I've got,

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actually my iPhone is my camera right now.

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- Okay.

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- 'Cause I'm lazy and plugging it in works, and I like that.

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But I think it's something to keep our eyes on,

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either for good or bad, I don't know which it's gonna be,

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but I can almost guarantee that at some point

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it's either going to be a solution

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that a guest is considering or should consider.

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- And it says this will only work on iPhone 15 Pro,

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Pro Max, and any future AI-compatible iPhone models.

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- Yeah, it won't work on mine, I'm on a 14.

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I knew that wouldn't happen.

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- So a regular iPhone 15 or older won't get access.

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- Right, and my assumption is, since I'm an Apple person

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and this is brand new and just announced,

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it's probably been available on Android for like 20 years,

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and I just don't know about it.

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(both laughing)

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- I've never tried, I'm an Android person,

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I got a Google phone, I don't know, I haven't tried.

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Maybe, I don't know.

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- Does that sound like something

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you'd ever want to have your clients do?

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- I hosted a show five years ago for someone,

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and we had a guest who just could not connect.

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And we had to do some kind of workaround,

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I don't know if we used Ringer with the app on the phone

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or if it was something else, but this might be handy.

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If, if, as the host, you record yourself on your real mic.

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- Oh, that would be even better.

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- It might make editing a little more challenging,

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but at least the host would sound good,

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and then you'd get the whatever from the guest on the phone,

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and then put those together if you could do that.

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- I was once a guest on a show where the host used

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an actual telephone conferencing service to place the call,

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and the sound was actually pretty atrocious.

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Like it was about the worst possible phone call

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you could imagine, not like huge background noise,

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but just like heavily bandpassed, heavily compressed,

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exactly what you'd expect out of a conferencing service.

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The only saving grace was that the host

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sounded as bad as I did,

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because they recorded both sides the same.

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- Right, but I like the host to sound good.

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- I do too, especially if it's me, 'cause I'm vain.

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- Well, true, true, but thinking about talk radio,

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the host always sounds good, and then the caller's calling,

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and they sound like they're on the phone.

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- Yeah. - Okay, same type of thing.

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So the host, I think the host needs to sound good.

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- I agree. - The best they can be.

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So if you did this phone call thing,

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if you were able to record your own side,

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that would be good, I think.

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- You have currently like, I think 600 clients or something.

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- Yeah. - Have any of them asked yet

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about video support on Spotify?

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'Cause I saw that they rolled that out

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maybe a week or two ago.

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- No, because if you work with me,

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you don't host on Spotify.

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- No, no, this is for shows hosted elsewhere.

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- Oh, okay, well, I only have like two people

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who do video, so no. - Okay.

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Yeah, so this one is interesting.

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Not super far into the details,

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but they have apparently added the ability

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for a show that's been added

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to also have a video component.

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I think, if I understand correctly,

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you still have to go to Spotify

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and manually upload the video.

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My understanding, at least for some early testing

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by somebody else, I think it was PodNews tested it,

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if you upload a video,

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even if they're playing the audio version,

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the video audio is what plays every time after that.

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So I'm not quite clear on that,

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but it looks like that might be,

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it sounds like there are several people

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that think that might be Spotify trying yet again

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to get away from open RSS feeds

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and move to more of the YouTube

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we only serve it up ourselves model.

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I don't know yet how that's gonna shake out,

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but I was wondering if you'd had anybody ask about it.

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- I have not, the people who do video with me

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do it because of YouTube.

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They don't do it because of anything else.

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They're not thinking about the other things.

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They're just thinking YouTube or shorts and reels.

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- Do you have a lot that are doing video

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or is that still pretty small?

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- That's still pretty small.

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- Do you have any that feel like they have to do video

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and they just can't,

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they feel bad that they can't get it done?

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- Ugh, I have two clients that are what we call video first.

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- Okay.

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- The one guy, not those two,

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he started audio and then was like,

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"Hey, we could do video too

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'cause I have a YouTube channel."

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I'm like, ah, okay.

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And then I have another client

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who I'm not sure why she got into video, but she did.

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- I keep hearing sort of both sides of it.

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One is you need to do video

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and the other one is actually you don't,

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so don't let it hold you back.

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I was just wondering if any of your clients deal with that.

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- That's what I say is no, you don't.

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Don't let it hold you back,

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but if you want to, just stick up a camera and go

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'cause the statistics say that people are more likely

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to listen to the whole thing if it's audio only,

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but they won't watch a whole video.

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That's been my experience as a watcher,

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as a creator, and based on the research.

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Some of the research is maybe two or three years old,

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so it could be a little bit out of date,

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but that's what I've always seen.

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- I can't remember where I saw it.

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I need to find that up again

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'cause I tell people that all the time

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when they say, "Do I have to do video?"

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I say no.

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And I also heard the top podcasts and Apple podcasts

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don't have video anyway, so.

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- I think some of that is maybe a little bit

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of a self-fulfilling prophecy in that Apple does do video,

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but they don't make it easy to find the video-only podcast

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or the video-first shows.

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It doesn't have its own special landing page

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that I've ever found.

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So as an example, I wanted to find some podcast apps,

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just sort of check and see if they support video,

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and if they do, do they support actual video

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or has it just stripped the audio

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and just take the video and play the audio?

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And I had to go find a show that I knew was video,

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so that I could go find it in Apple Podcasts

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to make sure that I was using the right show,

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like that kind of thing, rather than just going,

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"Show me a podcast that's video,"

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'cause all that gives you is a bunch of YouTube links now.

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Thank you, Google.

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- Yeah, well. (laughs)

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So also on Spotify, they have changed things too

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about recording and uploading, and people got mad,

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and I wanted to say, "It's a free service, shut your mouth."

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- Yeah, and I think this is, what,

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maybe like four weeks old now?

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This is not breaking news. - No.

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- I've kind of gone through a couple of different cycles.

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I'll call the first one the "I'm a jerk" cycle,

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and the second one is maybe I'm a little bit concerned.

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So the "I'm a jerk" cycle was exactly what you said.

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It's a free service.

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If you're serious, just shut up and use Riverside

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like they're telling you, or Descript,

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or use something like that.

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But the other part of it is I'm going,

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"Will this be the straw that broke the camel's back

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"for some shows?

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"Probably so."

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- That they can't do it all in one place?

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- It's just one more hoop to jump through.

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They're not willing to jump through that final hoop.

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I get it, because not all of us have the benefit

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of 10-plus years of working in audio like you and I have.

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And some of them, like me, like you,

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are balancing a job and a show

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and other things in their lives.

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Maybe they don't have the bandwidth to now go through that.

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I'm assuming there's extra money to be spent.

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I don't know, maybe they've got a freebie going on.

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Would that be enough to push them over the edge,

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and is it sad to see a show go?

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Maybe a little bit.

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In my mind, there's an assumption,

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or there was an assumption,

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that if you're using Spotify's tools,

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your show is probably garbage, right?

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You're not willing to invest anything in it.

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But that's not always true.

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Not every podcast is Wayne's World in the Basement, right?

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Some of them are good,

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and they're just doing it on a really tight budget

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because they don't need to pay for stuff.

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And I would hate to see those shows go away.

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Not because I necessarily am listening to them,

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but somebody might be.

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And is that a market that then doesn't get served?

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Maybe so.

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- I don't know.

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I don't send people to Spotify for a podcast or so.

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- I don't either.

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It's not that I'm trying to necessarily discourage people

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from using it, but I've had,

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and I continue to have a little bit of the perspective

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that if you can't afford $20 a month

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for Libsyn or Blubrry or Captivate,

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I mean, they're all in that 15 to 20 range, typically,

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you probably can't afford me.

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- Right.

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- It's not like I'm trying to say

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you have to spend an extra 20 bucks,

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but if you're gonna spend the money on me,

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why not get the extra tools that come with a hosting company

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that really is a hosting company,

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not a media distribution platform that has a hosting arm.

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I'm willing for somebody to talk me off the wall

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if you disagree.

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We can have a discussion about this.

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It's not like we think Bryan's right.

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(laughs)

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With that news, it did get me thinking,

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because I did see an AppSumo deal come up

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for some software called libretto.

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It's supposed to be similar to Zoom

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or some of those other things.

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We'll have a link in the show notes for you

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when we get this published.

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But I'm thinking that might be something

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that's a one-time purchase that might be worth recommending

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to a potential client.

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If they really wanna do it themselves

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or if somebody's really concerned about Spotify going away

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and what's it gonna cost for me to use Riverside or Zoom

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and then do all the editing myself,

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I don't know how good it is.

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Haven't tested it.

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Might just be something that's worth checking out.

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- It says, "Podcasting made simple record

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"high-quality audio and video

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"and edit like a doc on a text editor."

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This is libretto.

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On AppSumo.

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- Yeah, but let's not kid ourselves

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because Zoom also says they give us high-quality audio

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and their version of high is different than mine.

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- I'm just saying.

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I'm just reading.

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- I know.

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(laughing)

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I appreciate you, Jennifer.

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(laughing)

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- I don't know.

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It looks pretty cool.

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And it's only $49 for one code.

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But if you want to get the whole thing,

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it's $98 for two codes.

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It looks like if you want really good audio,

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get the two codes.

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- I looked at that.

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I'm just not in the position right now

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to spend money on software that I literally don't need.

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- Don't need.

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- 'Cause it would totally be me just going,

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"I wonder if this is gonna turn into something."

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- Right.

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- Or, "I wanna test this out so that I can recommend it."

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And not gonna do that.

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Patrick gave us a ha-ha.

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I'm not sure what that is.

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I'm wondering if it's the audio quality.

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(laughing)

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I don't know.

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- You found some other tools on AppSumo recently too.

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What else did you find?

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- I did.

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There's one other that I found on AppSumo.

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And this actually came up.

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I found this first in "Build a Big Podcast" by David Hooper.

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He was just talking about it.

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It's called BreezeDoc.

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It's a document signing tool.

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It's actually created by the AppSumo team.

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It's one of their originals.

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So it'll probably be on a lifetime deal forever.

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Forever in quotes, of course.

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But it's gonna be something similar to DocuSign.

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I have a service that I use for my contracts

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called SignWell.

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But that's not available on a lifetime deal anymore.

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It was when I bought it.

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But if you need to do contracts for clients,

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if you need to do guest agreements for your guests,

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or if you have a host that you're working with

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that needs to do that,

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this might be worth sending them to.

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'Cause you can upload a template.

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You can define who needs to sign where,

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get 'em signed and get everybody legal.

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To be completely transparent,

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we've never had a guest sign permission to be on this show.

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Partly because we've got four hosts

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and no one of us actually owns the whole thing.

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So who do we have 'em sign with?

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We haven't figured that part out yet.

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We'll maybe get that up.

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Patrick says he's still thanking me

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for the tip on DXRevive.

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Well, Patrick, if you wanna spend some money, I'm your guy.

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I can tell you all the things that I wanna buy and haven't.

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But I don't wanna spend your money frivolously.

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But yeah, that was one that's worth, I think, checking out,

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especially if you don't already have a contract solution.

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If you're using Dubsado or something like that,

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probably not a value add.

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- And then under Tools, you also have Episodes.fm.

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Tell me about that.

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- Yeah, this is great.

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I actually heard about this one on the Podcasting 2.0 Show,

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but it actually has nothing to do with Podcasting 2.0,

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so don't think about crypto or anything like that.

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It's just a tool that you can use to share your show

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that has all the subscribe links already built in.

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And it actually selects what's available

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based on the device that they open up.

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So if they open up on an Android device,

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it shouldn't be showing them all of the Apple-only tools,

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but it's got a ton of different apps.

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And you can share either the show,

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or you can share an episode from the show.

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It has a player, so they can click through right there,

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and then they've also got the subscribe.

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And the way it's set up, if you click through once

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and you choose an app, you can set it to default.

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So anytime you get one of their links,

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it'll just automatically go to your favorite app.

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It'll just redirect.

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This is an example of how I wish the really cool

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embedded player from Captivate would work.

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I love Captivate's embedded player.

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It's beautiful.

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If you open it on your phone, it takes the whole screen,

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got your cover art, looks great.

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Click play, it's right there.

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But if you wanna subscribe to the show,

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you click the three little buttons,

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then you click the follow button,

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and it's hard from a subscriber standpoint.

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This kills it.

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It's super cool.

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Totally free, at least for now.

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I've already recommended it to a client,

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just going, hey, if you wanna make it dumb simple

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for people to find the show and subscribe, share this link.

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I understand the whole share your website for SEO stuff,

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but if you wanna make it easy for people to subscribe,

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I have not found a tool that makes it easier.

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Super slick.

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Doesn't matter what app they're using.

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- That's cool.

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And I just typed in a show,

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and then I clicked on something and it said, nope.

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It's not available on that one,

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so I gotta go submit the show.

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- Yeah, I think it pulls from the Apple directory,

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but I'm not entirely sure on that.

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I don't know anything about the stuff behind the scenes.

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I just know that it works.

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Patrick asks if it's kind of like pod.link.

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I think so.

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I've never used pod.link though, so I can't answer that.

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- Oh, now I've got, my cookies are getting all confused.

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I'm gonna have to close my browser or something.

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It's fine.

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I'll test it again.

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Any other fun tools that we need to know about right now,

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or is that it for now?

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- That's all I have for right now.

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I mean, there's always fun tools.

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If you're listening or watching

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and you're interested in finding out more

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about specific kinds of tools, let us know.

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Maybe there's something that we've got in our toolbox

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that we don't think about that would be valuable to you,

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like DX Revive for Patrick.

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I actually am using that on almost a weekly basis now

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on one new show that I have

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that's live recording in a terrible room every week.

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That's just what it is.

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There's no fixing it.

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It's not an audio first experience.

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It's a live first experience.

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And DX Revive to the rescue, I promise you.

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- And where do you get that?

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- That's at, oh man, who is it?

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Accentize, I think.

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Yeah, accentize.com is the website,

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and then DX Revive is the tool.

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They have two versions, an inexpensive version

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and a more expensive version.

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I bought the more expensive version

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'cause it has more buttons.

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That you can click,

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and I've found value in clicking the extra buttons,

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so I use that to justify having spent the extra money,

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and I hope that I'm right.

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- Okay.

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- Are you ready for the podcast,

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or the AI question of the day?

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- I am, and let's, okay, here we go.

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If you could interview a single inanimate object from history.

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- From history?

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- That's what it says, from history.

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What would it be, and what would you ask it?

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So if you can interview a single inanimate object

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from history, what would it be, and what would you ask it?

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- Oh man, there's so many directions,

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'cause my first thought was characters from books,

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but those aren't necessarily from history.

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- No, so it has to be like a real thing, I guess,

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is what it's saying.

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- Man, these are hard questions, Jennifer.

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You gotta give me a layup here.

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- Well, it tells me the same question every time,

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and I have to keep refreshing

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until it gives me something new.

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- I think, since this is totally made up,

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I would probably go and ask the Cray supercomputer

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if it could ever imagine a computer being better than itself.

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'Cause at the time, that was the beast.

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There was no other that was better.

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And now we walk around with something better

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in our pockets called a phone.

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- Yeah, the only thing that is coming to mind,

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the only thing that is coming to mind is the Liberty Bell.

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How'd you really get that crack?

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- See, I was gonna say Liberty Bell,

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how'd you get cracked? (laughs)

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- I was like, that is seriously the only thing

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coming to my mind, and I don't know if it's

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'cause this is the word history or what, but.

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- And Patrick says that he would ask Plymouth Rock

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how it all really went down.

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I think along those same lines,

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I'd probably ask conjunction junction,

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what was its function? - What was its function?

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(both laughing)

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- But I know, Patrick, you're talking about

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the real Plymouth Rock, not that pretend from the '80s.

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- Yeah, well, Bryan? - Yes?

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- If someone wants to be a guest on this show,

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what do they need to do?

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- Just head on over to podcasteditorsmastermind.com/beagest

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and fill out a little form there.

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It'll ask for your name and some information.

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It'll ask you whether you have a topic suggestion

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or a question or you wanna be a guest,

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and we take all of those.

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I would say we also take feedback.

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If you just wanna tell us how much you love us

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and how amazing we are and how you wish

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that we were millionaires or something,

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that is an excellent place to do that.

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But also, if you wanna be a guest,

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podcasteditorsmastermind.com/beagest.

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- And I am Jennifer Longworth

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with Burp and Barrel Podcasting.

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You can find me at burpandbarrelpodcasting.com

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or anywhere, Burp and Barrel Podcasting

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or anywhere where there's bourbon.

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And next to me is?

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- Bryan Entzminger.

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You can find me at toptieraudio.com.

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On the socials on Facebook.

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I have socials in the other places,

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so people can't use them,

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but pretty much I'm a Facebook addict,

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and so that's where you'll find me.

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And Patrick says, "Mwah!"

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(Jennifer laughs)

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- Thanks, Patrick.

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Not appearing are Carrie Caulfield at Carrie.land

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and Daniel Abenroth, rothmedia.audio.

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And that's it for tonight.

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Thank you all for joining us live or on the recording.

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We'll see you next time.

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- How much is that?

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(man grunts)

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- Are you hitting the button or my?

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- I am.

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- All right.

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- I think.

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- You think, okay.

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